4000 people die within 6 weeks of being deemed "Fit to Work"
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Exige77 said:
How many perfectly healthy people will die in 6 weeks time ?
Also, how many of those will do so not while 'fit for work' but actually working at the time?Of those that were pronounced fit for work then died within the time period, did they die of the very same issue that rendered them unfit, or something completely different?
The DWP say no causal effect can be assumed linking the assessment and judgment to the deaths, which is correct, but it's also the case that the cause of death may be totally unrelated to the original condition.
Even if so, the condition may not have precluded work, but resulted in a sudden death, as per people who actually die while at work (see above).
Junk journalism hard at work trying to score political points in an 'independent' newspaper.
R8Steve said:
Exige77 said:
How many perfectly healthy people will die in 6 weeks time ?
Quite a lot i'd imagine.turbobloke said:
Junk journalism hard at work trying to score political points in an 'independent' newspaper.
The Guardian is running the same story. Quite a lot of the commentators there also struggle with understanding that it doesn't actually mean anything.Fit to work =/= will never die.
Flip Martian said:
Quite frankly the official statistics could say "we have evidence that 4000 died as a direct result of being forced back to work" and some in here would still cheer and see that as a positive. Some of the comments in here are quite vile, even by the standards of PH.
Spot on. ye, the sooner people like this bloke with cerebal palsy all die the better eh .
Like one 38 Degrees’ member whose son’s benefits have been cut off twice as punishment:
“First time was because they couldn’t understand his writing (he has cerebral palsy). The second time was because he applied for a job that he was not qualified for, but there were no jobs that week that he could have done, so he applied for any so he wouldn't be sanctioned. Still got sanctioned.”
utterly disgraceful situation for a so called developed nation.
Like one 38 Degrees’ member whose son’s benefits have been cut off twice as punishment:
“First time was because they couldn’t understand his writing (he has cerebral palsy). The second time was because he applied for a job that he was not qualified for, but there were no jobs that week that he could have done, so he applied for any so he wouldn't be sanctioned. Still got sanctioned.”
utterly disgraceful situation for a so called developed nation.
Flip Martian said:
Quite frankly the official statistics could say "we have evidence that 4000 died as a direct result of being forced back to work" and some in here would still cheer and see that as a positive. Some of the comments in here are quite vile, even by the standards of PH.
Some? Maybe, but I suspect it would be a pretty small proportion. In any event the available statistics seem neither to state nor even imply that.Radio 4's 'more or less' answered a question about a similar stat a while ago - reckon it was over six months ago. Think it was x amount of people died within 6 weeks of their claim stopping, as opposed to found fit for work, so not sure how much applies.
Their result was it means nothing. The stat within 6 weeks, covered a 12 week period, and therefore included people who had died, and their claim then obviously stopped, therefore they died within 6 weeks of their claim stopping...... The ones that died after, represented something like average. So that claim of x amount dying within 6 weeks of claim ending was true, however it meant nothing. It was something like 6000 people as well.
Idiots were saying stopping claims meant 6000 died, but it meant no such thing. Stats eh?
Their result was it means nothing. The stat within 6 weeks, covered a 12 week period, and therefore included people who had died, and their claim then obviously stopped, therefore they died within 6 weeks of their claim stopping...... The ones that died after, represented something like average. So that claim of x amount dying within 6 weeks of claim ending was true, however it meant nothing. It was something like 6000 people as well.
Idiots were saying stopping claims meant 6000 died, but it meant no such thing. Stats eh?
As said earlier, I consider myself fit to work today.
However it's perfectly possible that tomorrow I could have a fatal heart attack or a stroke or anything else. I doubt that I will but it is undeniably possible.
I know that I have high blood pressure. It doesn't stop me from working and as such I'm fit to work.
However it's perfectly possible that tomorrow I could have a fatal heart attack or a stroke or anything else. I doubt that I will but it is undeniably possible.
I know that I have high blood pressure. It doesn't stop me from working and as such I'm fit to work.
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