Police Scotland Object to Armed Forces Being Armed
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Apparently, Police Scotland are objecting to plans for Royal Marines to perform a capability demonstration at the Scottish Air Show this weekend, on the grounds that these members of the Armed Forces will be, erm, armed. 
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-3...
I imagine the 'armed' will be blank rounds and smoke grenades, the personnel involved proficient in using them in a safe manner, and the landing area cordoned off and a safe distance from spectators. Still, good to know that Police Scotland are 'Keeping People Safe' (another one for the meaningless corporate slogan thread).
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-3...
I imagine the 'armed' will be blank rounds and smoke grenades, the personnel involved proficient in using them in a safe manner, and the landing area cordoned off and a safe distance from spectators. Still, good to know that Police Scotland are 'Keeping People Safe' (another one for the meaningless corporate slogan thread).
ellroy said:
Unlike the police in many, many cases.
Name as many people as you can who were shot in Scotland in the last ten years by the police.Asterix said:
Them up North have history - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/871...
Doing a show for a thousand people a night for a month for the Edinburgh Tattoo is a little different to killing pirates...Historic Scotland were well within their rights to ensure that their part of the show was carried out safely and in good taste.
Edited by AndrewEH1 on Thursday 3rd September 16:02
Asterix said:
Them up North have history - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/871...
What a bunch of plums 
I can see where the Armed Forces are coming from.
Two options
1. Use the Police who have Guns and good training but will have probably never fired them in real life, looking after you.
Or
2. Have Marines who have some of the best training in the world and are very very actively operating with said weapons.
Someone has thought there must some sort of risk to the equipment and wants the best cover they can get, Police are now upset because it's not them
BTW not knocking the Police, it's just in a game of Top Trumps with the Marines they lose.
Asterix said:
Them up North have history - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/871...
The article said:
Historic Scotland thought everything looked far too dangerous and the Marines were told to tone everything down. That included abseiling down the walls of the castle and the re-enactment of the fast roping on to the 'captured' ship.
The Marines were also not permitted to shoot the pirates. Instead all the bad guys surrender.
Laugh or cry I guess.The Marines were also not permitted to shoot the pirates. Instead all the bad guys surrender.
TheRainMaker said:
AndrewEH1 said:
Doing a show for a thousand people a night for a month for the Edinburgh Tattoo is a little different to killing pirates...
Yep it's much more dangerous 
Fast roping is, well, fast. The sooner you are off the rope the sooner you can kill/capture the pirates without getting shot/killed yourself
The risk is that you might fall off the rope and be injured or worse.
The acceptable level of risk for doing it at the Tattoo was obviously too high for Historic Scotland just to entertain a bunch of tourists.
AndrewEH1 said:
Asterix said:
Them up North have history - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/871...
Doing a show for a thousand people a night for a month for the Edinburgh Tattoo is a little different to killing pirates...Historic Scotland were well within their rights to ensure that their part of the show was carried out safely and in good taste.
And in good taste? You mean water everything down so that the public in this country are kept sheltered to the realities of certain parts of this world we share with other so called human beings?
Asterix said:
I'm sure the Marines were capable of doing what they do safely.
And in good taste? You mean water everything down so that the public in this country are kept sheltered to the realities of certain parts of this world we share with other so called human beings?
I'm sure the Marines are more than capable too. But they were on Historic Scotland property, so their rules I'm afraid.And in good taste? You mean water everything down so that the public in this country are kept sheltered to the realities of certain parts of this world we share with other so called human beings?
In good taste meaning anyone of any age could go to the Tattoo and be entertained.
Whilst I firmly believe that all the important points of the objection are included in the report, just in case it might have slipped past the sub editor, there might well be more to this.
Perhaps the police are commenting on storage. Maybe they have asked if dummy/deactivated weapons can be substituted. Maybe they have said that if the marines have access to alcohol, then weapons are inappropriate. Perhaps many other reasons have been put forward. You never know. Perhaps police Scotland have imposed requirements when firearms are used in a display. Maybe, even, there might well be regulations that have not been complied with.
Much more fun to react to a few lines though.
Perhaps the police are commenting on storage. Maybe they have asked if dummy/deactivated weapons can be substituted. Maybe they have said that if the marines have access to alcohol, then weapons are inappropriate. Perhaps many other reasons have been put forward. You never know. Perhaps police Scotland have imposed requirements when firearms are used in a display. Maybe, even, there might well be regulations that have not been complied with.
Much more fun to react to a few lines though.
Derek Smith said:
Whilst I firmly believe that all the important points of the objection are included in the report, just in case it might have slipped past the sub editor, there might well be more to this.
Perhaps the police are commenting on storage. Maybe they have asked if dummy/deactivated weapons can be substituted. Maybe they have said that if the marines have access to alcohol, then weapons are inappropriate. Perhaps many other reasons have been put forward. You never know. Perhaps police Scotland have imposed requirements when firearms are used in a display. Maybe, even, there might well be regulations that have not been complied with.
Much more fun to react to a few lines though.
Indeed.Perhaps the police are commenting on storage. Maybe they have asked if dummy/deactivated weapons can be substituted. Maybe they have said that if the marines have access to alcohol, then weapons are inappropriate. Perhaps many other reasons have been put forward. You never know. Perhaps police Scotland have imposed requirements when firearms are used in a display. Maybe, even, there might well be regulations that have not been complied with.
Much more fun to react to a few lines though.
Derek Smith said:
Whilst I firmly believe that all the important points of the objection are included in the report, just in case it might have slipped past the sub editor, there might well be more to this.
Perhaps the police are commenting on storage. Maybe they have asked if dummy/deactivated weapons can be substituted. Maybe they have said that if the marines have access to alcohol, then weapons are inappropriate. Perhaps many other reasons have been put forward. You never know. Perhaps police Scotland have imposed requirements when firearms are used in a display. Maybe, even, there might well be regulations that have not been complied with.
Much more fun to react to a few lines though.
OOOH! Mind the regulations. Jobsworths dream. Gods fPerhaps the police are commenting on storage. Maybe they have asked if dummy/deactivated weapons can be substituted. Maybe they have said that if the marines have access to alcohol, then weapons are inappropriate. Perhaps many other reasons have been put forward. You never know. Perhaps police Scotland have imposed requirements when firearms are used in a display. Maybe, even, there might well be regulations that have not been complied with.
Much more fun to react to a few lines though.
king teeth! Cheese Mechanic said:
Derek Smith said:
Whilst I firmly believe that all the important points of the objection are included in the report, just in case it might have slipped past the sub editor, there might well be more to this.
Perhaps the police are commenting on storage. Maybe they have asked if dummy/deactivated weapons can be substituted. Maybe they have said that if the marines have access to alcohol, then weapons are inappropriate. Perhaps many other reasons have been put forward. You never know. Perhaps police Scotland have imposed requirements when firearms are used in a display. Maybe, even, there might well be regulations that have not been complied with.
Much more fun to react to a few lines though.
OOOH! Mind the regulations. Jobsworths dream. Gods teeth! Perhaps the police are commenting on storage. Maybe they have asked if dummy/deactivated weapons can be substituted. Maybe they have said that if the marines have access to alcohol, then weapons are inappropriate. Perhaps many other reasons have been put forward. You never know. Perhaps police Scotland have imposed requirements when firearms are used in a display. Maybe, even, there might well be regulations that have not been complied with.
Much more fun to react to a few lines though.
I know one force that was pilloried in the press, and probably by forum warriors foaming at their keyboards, for objecting to an historical annual event. It looked good in the papers and on the TV but all was not as it seemed. What actually happened was, for the first time in the history of the event, the organisers sought the opinion of the police as regards safety. This was not through any great desire to protect the public, nor a sudden leaning towards political correctness, as was discovered, but under advice from their lawyers.
It seemed that if anyone was injured they could look to the organisers for compensation. But they could pass the buck if the police had given them the green light. In other words, they wanted to run their event and not be liable for the consequences.
The police did an assessment of the risks and discovered that a number of regulations were not being conformed to and advised the organisers to this effect. In other words, they did precisely what they were asked. Turning a blind eye, as had been done in the past, and to some risk for the police, was no longer an option as there was a legal requirement.
I don't know who informed the press of the fact that the police had acted correctly, and in response to a request, but they were blamed for being jobsworth, normally a term which indicates that the accuser had either ignored evidence to the contrary, and/or not looked for it.
The police cannot say: Them buggers are fitting us up. Not much point really as the press would not listen as they want their readers to get the knickers in a twist. After all, it makes the irate feel so superior.
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Perhaps the police are commenting on storage. Maybe they have asked if dummy/deactivated weapons can be substituted. Maybe they have said that if the marines have access to alcohol, then weapons are inappropriate. Perhaps many other reasons have been put forward. You never know. Perhaps police Scotland have imposed requirements when firearms are used in a display. Maybe, even, there might well be regulations that have not been complied with.
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Maybe military weapons used for armed forces purposes are beyond the jurisdiction of the police.
Perhaps the police are commenting on storage. Maybe they have asked if dummy/deactivated weapons can be substituted. Maybe they have said that if the marines have access to alcohol, then weapons are inappropriate. Perhaps many other reasons have been put forward. You never know. Perhaps police Scotland have imposed requirements when firearms are used in a display. Maybe, even, there might well be regulations that have not been complied with.
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Maybe military weapons used for armed forces purposes are beyond the jurisdiction of the police.
Rovinghawk said:
Derek Smith said:
Perhaps the police are commenting on storage. Maybe they have asked if dummy/deactivated weapons can be substituted. Maybe they have said that if the marines have access to alcohol, then weapons are inappropriate. Perhaps many other reasons have been put forward. You never know. Perhaps police Scotland have imposed requirements when firearms are used in a display. Maybe, even, there might well be regulations that have not been complied with.
Maybe military weapons used for armed forces purposes are beyond the jurisdiction of the police.A first.
However, I think the military are governed by the laws of the country.
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