Police Scotland Object to Armed Forces Being Armed
Discussion
AndrewEH1 said:
It's all about the acceptable level of risk.
Fast roping is, well, fast. The sooner you are off the rope the sooner you can kill/capture the pirates without getting shot/killed yourself
The risk is that you might fall off the rope and be injured or worse.
The acceptable level of risk for doing it at the Tattoo was obviously too high for Historic Scotland just to entertain a bunch of tourists.
How do the marines learn fast roping? By doing it again and again and again until they can do it blindfolded, in the dark while being shot at. Transplanting this to the arena in front of Embra castle doesn't change the risk profile. Quite what liability HS thought they might be incurring is not clear.Fast roping is, well, fast. The sooner you are off the rope the sooner you can kill/capture the pirates without getting shot/killed yourself
The risk is that you might fall off the rope and be injured or worse.
The acceptable level of risk for doing it at the Tattoo was obviously too high for Historic Scotland just to entertain a bunch of tourists.
Derek Smith said:
Maybe they have said that if the marines have access to alcohol, then weapons are inappropriate.
I'm not aware that marines have the greatest intellectual reputation, but in the last however many hundred years I'd imagine they've managed to figure that one out. Maybe you should call them up and check they've thought of it, just in case.No Bend said:
TheRainMaker said:
1. Use the Police who have Guns and good training but will have probably never fired them in real life, looking after you.
Never fired them? Do they just show them powerpoint videos on how they work and hope they don't freak out when the thing goes bang?0000 said:
Derek Smith said:
Maybe they have said that if the marines have access to alcohol, then weapons are inappropriate.
I'm not aware that marines have the greatest intellectual reputation, but in the last however many hundred years I'd imagine they've managed to figure that one out. Maybe you should call them up and check they've thought of it, just in case.If alcohol is available at this public gathering, then the mere fact might well be enough to render the possession of weapons by anyone, shotguns by the gentry or assault weapons by the military, against the regulations. D'you see? Nothing against the marines, but similarly there should be nothing against any regulations.
ruggedscotty said:
little war going on here..... police trying to get the upper hand.. Guess someone said something to someome and upset them....
Yes, that's how assessments work. They are driven by 'someone saying something to upset them'... TheRainMaker said:
No Bend said:
TheRainMaker said:
1. Use the Police who have Guns and good training but will have probably never fired them in real life, looking after you.
Never fired them? Do they just show them powerpoint videos on how they work and hope they don't freak out when the thing goes bang?La Liga said:
ruggedscotty said:
little war going on here..... police trying to get the upper hand.. Guess someone said something to someome and upset them....
Yes, that's how assessments work. They are driven by 'someone saying something to upset them'... TheRainMaker said:
No Bend said:
TheRainMaker said:
1. Use the Police who have Guns and good training but will have probably never fired them in real life, looking after you.
Never fired them? Do they just show them powerpoint videos on how they work and hope they don't freak out when the thing goes bang?AndrewEH1 said:
Doing a show for a thousand people a night for a month for the Edinburgh Tattoo is a little different to killing pirates...
Historic Scotland were well within their rights to ensure that their part of the show was carried out safely and in good taste.
have there ever been any instances of armed forces personnel injuring members of the public during this type of demonstration ? ,genuine question, i do not know.Historic Scotland were well within their rights to ensure that their part of the show was carried out safely and in good taste.
Edited by AndrewEH1 on Thursday 3rd September 16:02
i would imagine the type of person that is a senior historic scotland official would probably s
t themselves at the sound of a firework going off nearby, never mind the marines demo stuff ,and their personal attitude to danger would involve a hard hat and harness to climb a step ladder in the library, so an understandable reaction.the marines train to the very highest of standards for a reason. unlike most of us,if they make a mistake it could not only cost them their own life, but the lives of many others. i seriously doubt a public demonstration where they are not in a high risk situation and they have time to rehearse is likely to lead to any risk to the public.
hidetheelephants said:
What has any of that got to do with the booties doing a demonstration infantry attack? Doing it without blanks and pyro will be singularly lacking in spectacle, which rather defeats the purpose of them doing a demo at the air show. This isn't safety it's the fun police taking over.
Nothing, it's to do with specific posts which deviate slightly from the original topic. My first reply on page 1 is directly about the OP's post.
hidetheelephants said:
What has any of that got to do with the booties doing a demonstration infantry attack? Doing it without blanks and pyro will be singularly lacking in spectacle, which rather defeats the purpose of them doing a demo at the air show. This isn't safety it's the fun police taking over.
You can't really blame the police, they were planning to do the demonstration where a police dog jumps some bloke with a blanket on his arm and then jumps through a hoola hoop. No wonder they didn't want loads of marines firing machine guns and having cool explosions and smoke going off. 
These demonstrations are great, they're a recruiting vehicle for the RMs like the red arrows is for the RAF.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west...
You know it's been given the go-ahead, right?
Some compromises have been made apparently but it was on the 6pm news that it would go ahead
You know it's been given the go-ahead, right?
Some compromises have been made apparently but it was on the 6pm news that it would go ahead
There will now be no rapid gunfire and planned explosions have been scaled back.....
Thing is that it was a show - a way to give something to the viewing public that demonstrates the army and what they do. Its amazing that the number of people that have no first hand experience of just what goes on. This would give them albeit a demo a little taster of the activities of the armed forces....
It would be good to see the police objections and reasoning behind such views especially in light of how they are struggling with their own operations....
I honestly dont see what the fuss was about to tell you the truth.
Thing is that it was a show - a way to give something to the viewing public that demonstrates the army and what they do. Its amazing that the number of people that have no first hand experience of just what goes on. This would give them albeit a demo a little taster of the activities of the armed forces....
It would be good to see the police objections and reasoning behind such views especially in light of how they are struggling with their own operations....
I honestly dont see what the fuss was about to tell you the truth.
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