Are the left wing less tolerant of the views of others?

[Mark Benson]

Electro1980 said:

bhstewie said:

amusingduck said:

bhstewie said:

I'll caveat that I haven't seen the campaign but do people really think it's because he's an ethnic-minority or is it more likely because he's seen as pro-Brexit and an ally of Johnson?

It is for some. I had a feeling I'd be able to find people calling him a coconut, and a brief search on twitter confirms that.

Three easy steps from woke to hate speech:

Group before Individuality
BAME group is supposed to vote Labour
People who don't conform are race traitors

Job jobbed.

That's fked up.

My guess is pick a BAME politician and you'll find something similar whoever they are.

Warsi was quoted in the BBC article and as she said the abuse she got wasn't mostly from the left.

That doesn't make it a left/right thing it just highlights that there are always fked up people everywhere.

Now if someone has said that about Sunak it's wrong but I'm not sure that makes the campaign itself an ethnicity issue.

Pick any public person and you will find someone who insults them on Twitter. Digging for an insult and finding one proves only that Twitter is easy to sign up for.

The campaign was simply a poor attempt at a political hit job, the ususal 'demonize by association and speculation', probably because Sunak seems to be popular in polls and Johnson is increasingly yesterday's man.
I'm not sure it's evidence of the intolerance of the left, it's just loudly blowing a lot of lefty dog-whistles; they know their audience.
The result is the usual Twitter abuse, but expecting to be a public figure and not receiving abuse on Twitter is like going out in the rain and not expecting to get wet - the left and the right have their dog whistles and no shortage of dogs eager to respond.

[bitchstewie]

Electro1980 said:

Pick any public person and you will find someone who insults them on Twitter. Digging for an insult and finding one proves only that Twitter is easy to sign up for.

Twitter is really useful but every time I dip into the comments I just feel like I've strayed off a footpath and I'm walking in dogst.

Anyway assuming it's that 1min video that's on the Daily Mail I've watched it and honestly I'm struggling to see anything about it that comes across as anything BAME related

Happy to reconsider if anyone can make a convincing case but it looks more like it's "rich Tory toff" stuff.

[otolith]

andymadmak said:

glazbagun said:

Or the conservative muslim who chopped a teachers head off because he didn't like the views or others. Doesn't sound particularly tolerant.

Why are you assuming that the muslim fellow is right wing? The use of the term 'conservative' in this context to infer right wing allegiances is lazy.
Religious conservatism is not the same as political conservatism.

I think it's interesting that you have snipped out of his post the reference to the Polish abortion situation. You don't see any religious conservatism in the right wing politics of Poland?

[andymadmak]

otolith said:

andymadmak said:

glazbagun said:

Or the conservative muslim who chopped a teachers head off because he didn't like the views or others. Doesn't sound particularly tolerant.

Why are you assuming that the muslim fellow is right wing? The use of the term 'conservative' in this context to infer right wing allegiances is lazy.
Religious conservatism is not the same as political conservatism.

I think it's interesting that you have snipped out of his post the reference to the Polish abortion situation. You don't see any religious conservatism in the right wing politics of Poland?

It's not interesting that I snipped that bit at all. I don't know enough about Polish politics to really comment, beyond saying that I don't agree with the policy. If the party identify as politically Conservative and religiously conservative then that's what they are. But the two do not always go hand in hand. Witness the laws passed by Conservatives over here to allow same sex marriage and such like. - all policies I agree with politically, but hardly in keeping with those on the extremes of the church.
Still, nice attempt at deflecting from the question I posed.

[otolith]

andymadmak said:

It's not interesting that I snipped that bit at all. I don't know enough about Polish politics to really comment, beyond saying that I don't agree with the policy. If the party identify as politically Conservative and religiously conservative then that's what they are. But the two do not always go hand in hand. Witness the laws passed by Conservatives over here to allow same sex marriage and such like. - all policies I agree with politically, but hardly in keeping with those on the extremes of the church.

Social and fiscal conservatism may be separable, but they're hand in hand more often than they are apart. Cameron was quite socially liberal, but the Tory rank and file are not.

andymadmak said:

Still, nice attempt at deflecting from the question I posed.

You didn't ask me.

[T6 vanman]

Randy Winkman said:

Here's a nice article about how tolerant the right wing are:

https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremi...

I summary: In the US right wing extremists have killed 329 people in the last 25 years whilst left wing extremists have killed none.

Genuine question .... Are Jessica Whitaker, Aaron Danielson still alive??

The centre and right within this forum will accept and condemn RW extremists,
Strangely as per the title ... The LW will deny LW have extremists and don't condemn LW activities

Edited by T6 vanman on Wednesday 28th October 18:03

[T6 vanman]

The left slaughtered by the EHRC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425

And another of their crew eating their own Nicholas Nelson
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54722726

Ugly ugly actions ..... yet all the left can do is make excuses and outright fight/deny these occurrences ... still no condemnation, Strange

[Randy Winkman]

T6 vanman said:

Randy Winkman said:

Here's a nice article about how tolerant the right wing are:

https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremi...

I summary: In the US right wing extremists have killed 329 people in the last 25 years whilst left wing extremists have killed none.

Genuine question .... Are Jessica Whitaker, Aaron Danielson still alive??

The centre and right within this forum will accept and condemn RW extremists,
Strangely as per the title ... The LW will deny LW have extremists and don't condemn LW activities

Edited by T6 vanman on Wednesday 28th October 18:03

I condemn left wing violence and am happy to be corrected in the way I presented the link higher up the thread.

I would however, still argue that it seems to be right-wing nutters that do most of the killing nowadays. At least the left go on demos and moan on Facebook rather than bottle it up and then go postal. I put together a list of recent right-wing killers on this thread a while ago and didn't get much of defence from the right other than people bringing up Stalin from 80 years ago.

[Countdown]

T6 vanman said:

The centre and right within this forum will accept and condemn RW extremists,

The genuine centre will, the "Centre...centre right at a push" will rarely criticise and usually try to caveat any criticism by justifying the behaviour e.g. "Its the fault of the Government for not listening to peoples concerns"

[T6 vanman]

Rather than start a new thread

It would seem the tolerance of the left has f**ked up again
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/criminal-whos...
Career criminal who faced deportation but whose deportation was stopped by Labour MPs and a swathe of celebrities continued and now sentanced for murder,
Wonder if those protesting will have anything to say to the deceased family

[ChemicalChaos]

Ah, I was wondering when this thread would reappear!

I've got my own experience of the last 12 months or so to comment on. Currently being on several of these so-called dating apps, one sees a lot of women with a descriptive biography. I've lost count (it is easily hundreds) of the number of women whose bio mentions: No Tories/ Tories swipe left/ Will never fk a Tory/ Lets make sure we're on the same page about not being a Tory, etc etc.
Number of women in the thousands I've swiped through, who declare they would never match with a Left Winger? Precisely Zero.

So much for kinder, gentler politics.....

[Rivenink]

ChemicalChaos said:

Ah, I was wondering when this thread would reappear!

I've got my own experience of the last 12 months or so to comment on. Currently being on several of these so-called dating apps, one sees a lot of women with a descriptive biography. I've lost count (it is easily hundreds) of the number of women whose bio mentions: No Tories/ Tories swipe left/ Will never fk a Tory/ Lets make sure we're on the same page about not being a Tory, etc etc.
Number of women in the thousands I've swiped through, who declare they would never match with a Left Winger? Precisely Zero.

So much for kinder, gentler politics.....

To be fair, a lot of people are angry at the Tory party for how they've handled things the last 10 or so years.

Don't conflate that with an intolerance of right wing views.

[Rivenink]

T6 vanman said:

Rather than start a new thread

It would seem the tolerance of the left has f**ked up again
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/criminal-whos...
Career criminal who faced deportation but whose deportation was stopped by Labour MPs and a swathe of celebrities continued and now sentanced for murder,
Wonder if those protesting will have anything to say to the deceased family

So, its the fault of the lefties preventing Britain from just discarding its trash for the developing countries to deal with, rather than a symptom of a chronically underfunded and entirely overwhelmed justice system suffering under the mismanagement of the Tories.

I wonder if you'd be quite so bothered if he'd been deported and ended up murdering someone in Jamaica.

[bitchstewie]

T6 vanman said:

Rather than start a new thread

It would seem the tolerance of the left has f**ked up again
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/criminal-whos...
Career criminal who faced deportation but whose deportation was stopped by Labour MPs and a swathe of celebrities continued and now sentanced for murder,
Wonder if those protesting will have anything to say to the deceased family

I'd be quite happy to see people like that deported.

Do you think the real issue is that a few "lefties" signed a letter or do you think it might be that we typically go by the rule of law and the current laws entitle people to a level of due process and that means if you don't do things like trying to deport people completely by the book you run the risk of this sort of thing happening?

[Gecko1978]

bhstewie said:

T6 vanman said:

Rather than start a new thread

It would seem the tolerance of the left has f**ked up again
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/criminal-whos...
Career criminal who faced deportation but whose deportation was stopped by Labour MPs and a swathe of celebrities continued and now sentanced for murder,
Wonder if those protesting will have anything to say to the deceased family

I'd be quite happy to see people like that deported.

Do you think the real issue is that a few "lefties" signed a letter or do you think it might be that we typically go by the rule of law and the current laws entitle people to a level of due process and that means if you don't do things like trying to deport people completely by the book you run the risk of this sort of thing happening?

Pretty much with Stewie on this. It's not about left or right this guy is a drug dealer and was always going to be a drug dealer now someone in the UK is dead I suspect also a drug dealer. Had we deported him then someone in Jamaica would also likely be dead

[Mobile Chicane]

ChemicalChaos said:

Ah, I was wondering when this thread would reappear!

I've got my own experience of the last 12 months or so to comment on. Currently being on several of these so-called dating apps, one sees a lot of women with a descriptive biography. I've lost count (it is easily hundreds) of the number of women whose bio mentions: No Tories/ Tories swipe left/ Will never fk a Tory/ Lets make sure we're on the same page about not being a Tory, etc etc.
Number of women in the thousands I've swiped through, who declare they would never match with a Left Winger? Precisely Zero.

So much for kinder, gentler politics.....

There's a reason for that: Socialists are better in bed.

Less selfish.

[otolith]

Mobile Chicane said:

ChemicalChaos said:

Ah, I was wondering when this thread would reappear!

I've got my own experience of the last 12 months or so to comment on. Currently being on several of these so-called dating apps, one sees a lot of women with a descriptive biography. I've lost count (it is easily hundreds) of the number of women whose bio mentions: No Tories/ Tories swipe left/ Will never fk a Tory/ Lets make sure we're on the same page about not being a Tory, etc etc.
Number of women in the thousands I've swiped through, who declare they would never match with a Left Winger? Precisely Zero.

So much for kinder, gentler politics.....

There's a reason for that: Socialists are better in bed.

Less selfish.

Putting "Tory Boy" on your dating profile sounds like a good way to remain a virgin until your prospective matches are old enough to start reading the Daily Mail.

[CT05 Nose Cone]

Gecko1978 said:

Pretty much with Stewie on this. It's not about left or right this guy is a drug dealer and was always going to be a drug dealer now someone in the UK is dead I suspect also a drug dealer. Had we deported him then someone in Jamaica would also likely be dead

But if we follow that logic there's no point in deporting anyone, since they'll just keep committing crimes in their homeland.

[bitchstewie]

Gecko1978 said:

Pretty much with Stewie on this. It's not about left or right this guy is a drug dealer and was always going to be a drug dealer now someone in the UK is dead I suspect also a drug dealer. Had we deported him then someone in Jamaica would also likely be dead

To be fair I'm never quite sure what to make of "celebrities" writing letters.

But that isn't why the flight(s) got cancelled.

Presumably the flights got cancelled because the Government couldn't make a sufficiently convincing case under their own laws that the people on them should be on them.

And I'll bet that if he were faced with jail or deportation that T6 vanman would exhaust every legal option available to get the outcome he wanted.

[Randy Winkman]

ChemicalChaos said:

Ah, I was wondering when this thread would reappear!

So did I since we seem to have had a dearth of evidence to support it. But it seems that the excuse is that being tolerant is actually bad so the thread can now be adapted from "The left are bad because they are intolerant" to "The left are bad because they aren't intolerant".