Are the left wing less tolerant of the views of others?

[otolith]

FredClogs said:

otolith said:

Stoicism is not a virtue of the young.

Errr... I'm not sure where you were going with this but the Stoics were almost definitely not Kipper types...

First definition, not the second (as well you know)

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/engli...

Are all Conservative voters kippers now? Farage will be pleased to hear that.

[crankedup]

fblm said:

crankedup said:

Your ridiculously simplistic Scenario A and B completely ignores real life situations, like can't afford to buy - tough. Can't afford private rent - tough. You see that these are the reasons why so much taxation is being spent on housing welfare.

So simple and yet you missed the point entirely. There's only so many times I can be bother explaining that todays housing shortage, if it exists, is not the result of a change of ownership 30 years ago but a lack of building publicly or privately since.

I simply disagree with your POV, one must look back at the history of housing to understand how it is that the Country finds itself still hugely struggling in the provision of private and council stock. If you honestly question the fact that the Country indeed has a dire shortage of stock then I can understand your lack of comprehension regarding the entire issue.
Also you phrase the Thatcher 'sell off' as one event 30 years ago, this is disingenuous, the sell off continued for decades and has now been re-instated.
Can you provide an answer to my reply regards your 'Scenario A and B implications or is it something you hadn't considered?

[crankedup]

Smollet said:

This thread has wobbled all over the place but at the end of the day it's the left wing who get upset and turn to demonstrate on the streets when an election goes against their wishes. Those of a right wing persuasion just accept the democratic process and accept the result. If anyone can find an example of anyone from the right of politics in this country protesting a general election result that didn't go their way I'd be very surprised. I shan't hold my breath.

I recall a few hundred students protesting following Election defeats but not, as you seem to imply, the Left wing.

Also it is not beyond the Right wing wealthy not to take to the streets and demonstrate, although not meeting your criteria of a Election. Take for example the very recent demonstrations held by the Judiciary. Or, going back a few years how about the 'Bright Young Things' in effect taking the Bullingdon Club onto the streets. But at least the 'Club mates' only wreak their own property when out on a binge.

[anonymous-user]

crankedup said:

Can you provide an answer to my reply regards your 'Scenario A and B implications or is it something you hadn't considered?

Dear god please make the conversation end. You're right about everything and I'm wrong about everything. I am an idiot who knows nothing.

[FredClogs]

crankedup said:

Smollet said:

This thread has wobbled all over the place but at the end of the day it's the left wing who get upset and turn to demonstrate on the streets when an election goes against their wishes. Those of a right wing persuasion just accept the democratic process and accept the result. If anyone can find an example of anyone from the right of politics in this country protesting a general election result that didn't go their way I'd be very surprised. I shan't hold my breath.

I recall a few hundred students protesting following Election defeats but not, as you seem to imply, the Left wing.

Also it is not beyond the Right wing wealthy not to take to the streets and demonstrate, although not meeting your criteria of a Election. Take for example the very recent demonstrations held by the Judiciary. Or, going back a few years how about the 'Bright Young Things' in effect taking the Bullingdon Club onto the streets. But at least the 'Club mates' only wreak their own property when out on a binge.

What springs to mind when people talk about right wing protests are groups of EDL and BNP supporters throwing bins through Curry house windows. It happens and has for nearly half a century.

I did think about mentioning the Country Side Alliance and there marches in support of posh folk murdering animals, but I do remember them refusing to be seen marching along side the BNP and as it turns out their board is chaired by a Labour peer and there are other Labour MPs involved (not that being a labour MP guarantees left leaning tendancies). So it seems life is not a simple and straight forward as our prejudices would have us assume.

[WinstonWolf]

FredClogs said:

crankedup said:

Smollet said:

This thread has wobbled all over the place but at the end of the day it's the left wing who get upset and turn to demonstrate on the streets when an election goes against their wishes. Those of a right wing persuasion just accept the democratic process and accept the result. If anyone can find an example of anyone from the right of politics in this country protesting a general election result that didn't go their way I'd be very surprised. I shan't hold my breath.

I recall a few hundred students protesting following Election defeats but not, as you seem to imply, the Left wing.

Also it is not beyond the Right wing wealthy not to take to the streets and demonstrate, although not meeting your criteria of a Election. Take for example the very recent demonstrations held by the Judiciary. Or, going back a few years how about the 'Bright Young Things' in effect taking the Bullingdon Club onto the streets. But at least the 'Club mates' only wreak their own property when out on a binge.

What springs to mind when people talk about right wing protests are groups of EDL and BNP supporters throwing bins through Curry house windows. It happens and has for nearly half a century.

I did think about mentioning the Country Side Alliance and there marches in support of posh folk murdering animals, but I do remember them refusing to be seen marching along side the BNP and as it turns out their board is chaired by a Labour peer and there are other Labour MPs involved (not that being a labour MP guarantees left leaning tendancies). So it seems life is not a simple and straight forward as our prejudices would have us assume.

Boom, and there we have it. Every time a leftie is upset they try to play the race bomb.

[crankedup]

fblm said:

crankedup said:

Can you provide an answer to my reply regards your 'Scenario A and B implications or is it something you hadn't considered?

Dear god please make the conversation end. You're right about everything and I'm wrong about everything. I am an idiot who knows nothing.

Don't worry I accept your clear inability to answer, or indeed comment with any credibility, the questions I have put to you. Moving the goalposts in an earlier swerve regarding lack of housebuilding is to blame I said this myself way back. This is not the question though, it is the impact that Thatchers policy to sell council houses and to stop councils re-investing the revenue raised from sales that has exasperated a shortage of houses that could have been available for young people not able to afford to buy a house. You have swerved away from the other issues I raised, apart from the loss of housing stock for rent, we have lost a valuable asset. Clearly issues that you are unable to pronounce upon with such patronising terms. Dear God indeed.
I wouldn't call you an idiot, far from it, we simply do not agree, that is all.

[oop north]

Einion Yrth said:

Randy Winkman said:

Perhaps fewer Tory voters suffer significant negative consequences when the result goes against them. So there isn't really the urge to make a fuss.

What a load of absolute and total bks.

Harold Wilson's 98% top marginal tax rate (83% top rate plus investment income 15% surcharge) suggests that the right wing rich have rather a lot to lose from a left-wing tax and spend government

[Rovinghawk]

crankedup said:

Don't worry I accept your clear inability to answer, or indeed comment with any credibility


Thatchers policy............has exasperated a shortage of houses

Your ability to answer or comment with credibility might be somewhat lacking, sir.

I know the word I think you mean- do you?

[crankedup]

Rovinghawk said:

crankedup said:

Don't worry I accept your clear inability to answer, or indeed comment with any credibility


Thatchers policy............has exasperated a shortage of houses

Your ability to answer or comment with credibility might be somewhat lacking, sir.

I know the word I think you mean- do you?

Well done that man at the back! I sometimes drop in a gooley, just to make sure your reading. Would love to hear your POV on the issue though, or are you just another words-smith with a vacuous mind?

[Einion Yrth]

crankedup said:

Rovinghawk said:

crankedup said:

Don't worry I accept your clear inability to answer, or indeed comment with any credibility


Thatchers policy............has exasperated a shortage of houses

Your ability to answer or comment with credibility might be somewhat lacking, sir.

I know the word I think you mean- do you?

Well done that man at the back! I sometimes drop in a gooley, just to make sure your reading. Would love to hear your POV on the issue though, or are you just another words-smith with a vacuous mind?

That'll be a "no", then.

[Rovinghawk]

crankedup said:

I sometimes drop in a gooley, just to make sure your reading.

It's "you're"- a contraction of "you are". I don't think it's an attention check so much as your inability to read, write or use the English language properly.

crankedup said:

Would love to hear your POV on the issue though, or are you just another words-smith with a vacuous mind?

I would be happy to share my POV.

I believe that those with a more left-leaning inclination shout & throw tantrums when they don't approve. The more centrist or right-leaning tend to maintain a more dignified manner. There will always be exceptions but I believe that the generalisation is fairly accurate.

[crankedup]

Rovinghawk said:

crankedup said:

I sometimes drop in a gooley, just to make sure your reading.

It's "you're"- a contraction of "you are". I don't think it's an attention check so much as your inability to read, write or use the English language properly.

crankedup said:

Would love to hear your POV on the issue though, or are you just another words-smith with a vacuous mind?

I would be happy to share my POV.

I believe that those with a more left-leaning inclination shout & throw tantrums when they don't approve. The more centrist or right-leaning tend to maintain a more dignified manner. There will always be exceptions but I believe that the generalisation is fairly accurate.

Think what you like about my English language, its what you do in, and with life that matters. And it is a deliberate gooley, works every time.

Based upon some of the vitriol from right-leaning members in this forum I'm inclined to disagree. Further afield its usually students throwing a wobbly, but this is based upon the media loving a good 'riot' story, makes good headlines.

Edited by crankedup on Thursday 17th September 16:37

[Rovinghawk]

crankedup said:

Think what you like about my English language, its what you do in, and with life that matters.

Meaningless but inoffensive.

crankedup said:

And it is a deliberate gooley, works every time.

bks, sir.

crankedup said:

Based upon some of the vitriol from right-leaning members in this forum I'm inclined to disagree. Further afield its usually students throwing a wobbly, but this is based upon the media loving a good 'riot' story, makes good headlines.

I've never seen "Labour scum" or similar painted on war memorials, IYSWIM.

[anonymous-user]

crankedup said:

Based upon some of the vitriol from right-leaning members in this forum I'm inclined to disagree.

You've changed cranked. You used to present the LibDem line with some humour and thought, now you just come across as a repetitive, whiny victim. Was it the Co-op bank or the elections? Honestly the stuff about Thatcher, house prices, manufacturing, its been done before, over and over and over, nothing has changed, move on.

[turbobloke]

The intolerance of the Left is now visible in its reaction to the Left.

That's not a typo or similar. The denizens of the Left Left are sticking it to those more Centre Left.

This is from the opening to an article linked in a Bredders post in another thread.

Nick Cohen in his Spectator article Why I Have Finally Given Up On The Left said:

Left-wing thought has shifted towards movements it would once have denounced as racist, imperialist and fascistic. It is insupportable.

‘Tory, Tory, Tory. You’re a Tory.’

The level of hatred directed by the Corbyn left at Labour people who have fought Tories all their lives is as menacing as it is ridiculous.

Ridiculous, but par for the course and an example of intolerance entirely in keeping with the type.

[blindswelledrat]

But as I suggested early in the thread, if you take the extreme left, and extreme right they are equally intolerant.
Everyone else whether left or right are just degrees of normal.

My view on it are that extreme left people are thick and extreme right people are thick and it is this thickness that breeds both their extremism and their intolerance and anger.

[turbobloke]

blindswelledrat said:

But as I suggested early in the thread, if you take the extreme left, and extreme right they are equally intolerant.

Formal research (Pew) and informal research (Hannan) and everyday experience of others says the opposite. There is a clear asymmetry.

[blindswelledrat]

turbobloke said:

ormal research (Pew) and informal research (Hannan) and everyday experience of others says the opposite. There is a clear asymmetry.

I don't follow, having quite understandably not read what you are referring to.
You think that the extreme right are tolerant? Intelligent?

[otolith]

blindswelledrat said:

I don't follow, having quite understandably not read what you are referring to.
You think that the extreme right are tolerant? Intelligent?

Depends - are we talking about extreme free market, minimal state, low tax types, or are we talking about fascists?