Are the left wing less tolerant of the views of others?

[blindswelledrat]

otolith said:

Depends - are we talking about extreme free market, minimal state, low tax types, or are we talking about fascists?

Good point. I don't actually know. I always thing of BNP/Nazi types as extreme right.
I've never actually seen or heard of economic extreme right people. Are there many?

[otolith]

They exist, but they mostly limit their activism to online whinging and blogging. They have a party in the US;

https://www.lp.org/

There is some overlap with the Tea Party bunch, but they are socially conservative too.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/1...

[JagLover]

turbobloke said:

The intolerance of the Left is now visible in its reaction to the Left.

That's not a typo or similar. The denizens of the Left Left are sticking it to those more Centre Left.

This is from the opening to an article linked in a Bredders post in another thread.

Nick Cohen in his Spectator article Why I Have Finally Given Up On The Left said:

Left-wing thought has shifted towards movements it would once have denounced as racist, imperialist and fascistic. It is insupportable.

‘Tory, Tory, Tory. You’re a Tory.’

The level of hatred directed by the Corbyn left at Labour people who have fought Tories all their lives is as menacing as it is ridiculous.

Ridiculous, but par for the course and an example of intolerance entirely in keeping with the type.

cohen said:

I realise now what I should have known years ago. The causes I most care about — secularism, freedom of speech, universal human rights — are not their causes. Whatever they pretend, when the crunch comes, they will always put sectarian unity first, and find reasons to be elsewhere

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9637452/why-ive-finally-given-up-on-the-left/

This basically

[Mr GrimNasty]

Twitter study claims left wingers swear more than conservatives!

http://www.cityam.com/224576/left-wingers-turn-air...

(I haven't read the whole thread, so if it's a re-post, bite me.)

[turbobloke]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

A stitch-up by the tolerant left is the allegation.

Article said:

One of the inspectors was a member of the pressure group Keep Our NHS Public; another was in a doctors' trade union that had warned against private firms.

Who inspects the inspectors?

[anonymous-user]

Even the worst hospital... 17 complaints per 100,000 sounds pretty damn good to me, or is the 'number of time customers are dealt with' a hugely inflated number?

[Digga]

turbobloke said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

A stitch-up by the tolerant left is the allegation.

Article said:

One of the inspectors was a member of the pressure group Keep Our NHS Public; another was in a doctors' trade union that had warned against private firms.

Who inspects the inspectors?

Those with interests in the health service other than patient care have been gunning for Hinchingbrooke from day 1. This is a scandal, typical of why the NHS is failing - because there are too many people who a.) see it as an empire and b.) fail to look at the NHS from the bottom (i.e. customer) up.

[crankedup]

fblm said:

crankedup said:

Based upon some of the vitriol from right-leaning members in this forum I'm inclined to disagree.

You've changed cranked. You used to present the LibDem line with some humour and thought, now you just come across as a repetitive, whiny victim. Was it the Co-op bank or the elections? Honestly the stuff about Thatcher, house prices, manufacturing, its been done before, over and over and over, nothing has changed, move on.

True enough, these threads have been done to death, but for the benefit of new members its helpful to regurgitate occasionally.

Betrayed by the Co-Operative Bank is a bitter pill to swallow, then a wipe out of the Lib-Dems! Shouldn't vent it on forum members its true. Somehow I seem to have formed a horrible image in my head of Cameron' in his wild youth, porking the head of cleggy, bitter me!

[crankedup]

Rovinghawk said:

crankedup said:

Think what you like about my English language, its what you do in, and with life that matters.

Meaningless but inoffensive.

crankedup said:

And it is a deliberate gooley, works every time.

bks, sir.

crankedup said:

Based upon some of the vitriol from right-leaning members in this forum I'm inclined to disagree. Further afield its usually students throwing a wobbly, but this is based upon the media loving a good 'riot' story, makes good headlines.

I've never seen "Labour scum" or similar painted on war memorials, IYSWIM.

Meaningless! to you perhaps, but to other people it makes perfect sense. Inoffensive, well yes, are you suggesting that I should be offensive.

Bullocks to you.

Never seen 'Labour Scum' daubed onto War Memorials! Quite specific, I have seen War Memorials defaced by toffs. Does that count?

[turbobloke]

crankedup said:

Never seen 'Labour Scum' daubed onto War Memorials! Quite specific, I have seen War Memorials defaced by toffs. Does that count?

Yes but not as you would wish since, as with Rafael Lefevre et al, swinging from and defacing memorials or monuments generally involves intolerant lefty toffs, young-ish.

Do post up an image of a defaced monument or memorial with Labour Scum or similar which you can demonstrate conclusively was done not just by a toff but an intolerant right wing toff.

There may be one example, or there may not, but in terms of the sheer prevalence of intolerance, previous images posted in this thread show the greater prevalence of intolerance from the left. This is what the thread is about, the more frequent occurrence of intolerance - not simply an isolated example.

The OP's case is already very clear reading through the thread, try it some time.

[PorkRind]

radambc said:

It's often observed that people tend to start out more left wing and then become more right wing as they get older.

I think leftwingers are characterised by idealism (we should all be equal, all asylum seekers are genuine, nuclear weapons are evil and we should get rid of them etc.) and rightwing people are characterised by realism (it would be nice if we were all equal, but we're not, not all asylum seekers are genuine, nuclear weapons are a necessary evil in this world etc.)

That's how I see it.
Left = idealism
Right = realism

Maybe this explains the difference in tolerance levels.

If only there was a like button !

[crankedup]

turbobloke said:

crankedup said:

Never seen 'Labour Scum' daubed onto War Memorials! Quite specific, I have seen War Memorials defaced by toffs. Does that count?

Yes but not as you would wish since, as with Rafael Lefevre et al, swinging from and defacing memorials or monuments generally involves intolerant lefty toffs, young-ish.

Do post up an image of a defaced monument or memorial with Labour Scum or similar which you can demonstrate conclusively was done not just by a toff but an intolerant right wing toff.

There may be one example, or there may not, but in terms of the sheer prevalence of intolerance, previous images posted in this thread show the greater prevalence of intolerance from the left. This is what the thread is about, the more frequent occurrence of intolerance - not simply an isolated example.

The OP's case is already very clear reading through the thread, try it some time.

Post a picture you ask, why, because you can't read? go back and practice what you preach, read the thread. Oh look crankedup has offered an example of toff defacing a war memorial. Only one example, but its a good'un.

[turbobloke]

crankedup said:

turbobloke said:

crankedup said:

Never seen 'Labour Scum' daubed onto War Memorials! Quite specific, I have seen War Memorials defaced by toffs. Does that count?

Yes but not as you would wish since, as with Rafael Lefevre et al, swinging from and defacing memorials or monuments generally involves intolerant lefty toffs, young-ish.

Do post up an image of a defaced monument or memorial with Labour Scum or similar which you can demonstrate conclusively was done not just by a toff but an intolerant right wing toff.

There may be one example, or there may not, but in terms of the sheer prevalence of intolerance, previous images posted in this thread show the greater prevalence of intolerance from the left. This is what the thread is about, the more frequent occurrence of intolerance - not simply an isolated example.

The OP's case is already very clear reading through the thread, try it some time.

Post a picture you ask, why, because you can't read? go back and practice what you preach, read the thread. Oh look crankedup has offered an example of toff defacing a war memorial. Only one example, but its a good'un.

Irony as rich as ever. Yes I can read, can you see? I posted several images earlier in the thread.

Duh.

This difference is key - one example is occurrence, the greater number of examples against your position is prevalence, and that's what the thread is about - the fact that the left is more intolerant of the views of others.

And still you cannot, I suspect, find a single pic with a slogan such as 'Labour Scum' that you can unabmiguously attribute to a righty toff, as opposed to the intolerant lefty toffs such as the aforementioned convicted criminal aka Rafael Lefevre.

[crankedup]

Must have missed those pictures earlier, had a look and your perfectly correct, you did post some pictures. Earth shattering stuff on PH, its your day, enjoy.

[turbobloke]

crankedup said:

Must have missed those pictures earlier, had a look and your perfectly correct, you did post some pictures. Earth shattering stuff on PH, its your day, enjoy.

PistonHeads: Enjoyment Matters

[crankedup]

turbobloke said:

crankedup said:

Must have missed those pictures earlier, had a look and your perfectly correct, you did post some pictures. Earth shattering stuff on PH, its your day, enjoy.

PistonHeads: Enjoyment Matters

Indeed, sometimes it is the smallest most inconsequential things in life that bring such unbridled joy!

[BlackLabel]

The lefties are out 'protesting' in Manchester today - showing their class by spitting on journalists, egging Tory party delegates and abusing the police.

https://www.politicshome.com/economy-and-work/arti...

https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann

Edited by BlackLabel on Sunday 4th October 15:17

[Corpulent Tosser]

They are revolting.

[turbobloke]

BlackLabel said:

The lefties are out 'protesting' in Manchester today - showing their class by spitting on journalists, egging Tory party delegates and abusing the police.

https://www.politicshome.com/economy-and-work/arti...

https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann

Gordon Owen Bennett!

It's heartwarming to read about such a display of dignified tolerance from a Union-organised coterie of the marching trots, nothing less than we've come to expect after all. Lovely.

[Don]

Well I'd say we have our proof based on the events of today: Yes.

Luckily the offenders will be found, hunted down, and made to pay. The police have led a couple away in cuffs it would appear (from the Telegraph coverage - not sure if I trust their factual accuracy).

I've never felt the need to march on a Labour conference. I can criticise them adequately every few years at the ballot box.