Are the left wing less tolerant of the views of others?

Are the left wing less tolerant of the views of others?

Author
Discussion

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Thursday 5th November 2015
quotequote all
article said:
The Stop the War Coalition (StWC) have been accused of preventing victims of Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad from speaking at an anti-war event.

During a panel event on Monday evening to discuss the case against British military intervention in Syria, StWC included no Syrians on the speaker’s panel and reportedly refused to allow Syrians to speak from the floor.

The meeting was chaired by Labour MP Diane Abbott and featured chair of the Stop the War coalition Andrew Murray, former leader of the Green Party Caroline Lucas, Labour MP Catherine West, Tory MP Crispin Blunt MP and SNP MP Tommy Shephard.

According to human rights activist Peter Tatchell, who attended the event, no Syrians were included on the panel and the Syrian activists who turned up to the event were threatened with arrest.
http://leftfootforward.org/2015/11/stop-the-war-refuse-to-listen-to-syrians-during-debate-on-syria/

Jinx

11,345 posts

259 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
quotequote all
One thing I have noticed is the Left frequently use the logical fallacy of false equivalence

FredClogs

14,041 posts

160 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
quotequote all
Jinx said:
One thing I have noticed is the Left frequently use the logical fallacy of false equivalence
One thing I have noticed is the Right frequently use the logical fallacy of false equivalence e.g post above.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
quotequote all
XM5ER said:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/03/feminis...

It seems that they are equally intolerant of each other.
I had to laugh at breitbart this week-on an article criticising college humour for not allowing comments on a YouTube video and decrying the 'left shutting down opposing opinions' they then had many commenters saying that they'd in fact been banned or had comments deleted for putting down left leaning or contrary opinions in the breitbart comments. Breitbart of course took notice of this-and deleted and banned several of the people in that comment thread :Rolleyes:

Given as well the way that Britain first acts with regards to deleting and barring opposing opinions I think it's just that people don't like being told they're wrong

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
quotequote all
cookie118 said:
XM5ER said:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/03/feminis...

It seems that they are equally intolerant of each other.
I had to laugh at breitbart this week-on an article criticising college humour for not allowing comments on a YouTube video and decrying the 'left shutting down opposing opinions' they then had many commenters saying that they'd in fact been banned or had comments deleted for putting down left leaning or contrary opinions in the breitbart comments. Breitbart of course took notice of this-and deleted and banned several of the people in that comment thread :Rolleyes:

Given as well the way that Britain first acts with regards to deleting and barring opposing opinions I think it's just that people don't like being told they're wrong
Particularly those over on the Left. Especially those.

HewManHeMan

2,348 posts

121 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
quotequote all
Lets be clear about the differences between left and right, but also, the left and left, and the right and right.

What separates the left-left and the right-right is, of course, money. There's poor left, and rich left. And, diametrically opposed, you have the Poor Right and Rich Right.

Allow me:

Poor Left


Rich Left


Poor Right


Rich Right


Now, to be clear; they're all insufferable tw*ts. But they nicely represent the extremes of each ideology. Most of us fit somewhere in-between, but vague traits of the tw*ts remain. The Left leaning are typically prone to talking well meaning but stupid fluffy bks, whilst the Right tend to be mean spirited utter b*stards.

Think back to your classmates at school, where the kids were less guarded and their true colours allowed to shine through... The teachers might shake their heads and despair for the dippy kids who grew up to vote left, but I guarantee the nasty little f*ckers that grew up to vote right were suspected of a personality disorder or two.


turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
quotequote all
HewManHeMan said:
nasty little f*ckers
Corbyn's Labour Party is very nasty indeed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/...

McPoison was so nasty Gordon apologised for his gutter tactics.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gord...

Labour fruitcakes are turning Labour even more nasty.
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/05/15/labours-fruit...

See above for the nasty intolerant kids on the political block.

HewManHeMan

2,348 posts

121 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
quotequote all
turbobloke said:
HewManHeMan said:
nasty little f*ckers
Corbyn's Labour Party is very nasty indeed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/...

McPoison was so nasty Gordon apologised for his gutter tactics.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gord...

Labour fruitcakes are turning Labour even more nasty.
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/05/15/labours-fruit...

See above for the nasty intolerant kids on the political block.
So you've found sociopathic nut jobs at the top of the political tree... Good work, detective.

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
quotequote all
HewManHeMan said:
Now, to be clear; they're all insufferable tw*ts. But they nicely represent the extremes of each ideology. Most of us fit somewhere in-between, but vague traits of the tw*ts remain. The Left leaning are typically prone to talking well meaning but stupid fluffy bks, whilst the Right tend to be mean spirited utter b*stards.

Think back to your classmates at school, where the kids were less guarded and their true colours allowed to shine through... The teachers might shake their heads and despair for the dippy kids who grew up to vote left, but I guarantee the nasty little f*ckers that grew up to vote right were suspected of a personality disorder or two.
Again, that idea that there aren't nice and nasty people all the way across the political spectrum. You're defining the left as hippies and the right as racists. Actually, there are plenty of horrible racists who vote for left wing parties, and there are plenty of very nice, fair minded people who utterly despise racism but vote for Conservative economic policies. Your caricatures betray your prejudices and the narrowness of your life experience.

HewManHeMan

2,348 posts

121 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
quotequote all
otolith said:
HewManHeMan said:
Now, to be clear; they're all insufferable tw*ts. But they nicely represent the extremes of each ideology. Most of us fit somewhere in-between, but vague traits of the tw*ts remain. The Left leaning are typically prone to talking well meaning but stupid fluffy bks, whilst the Right tend to be mean spirited utter b*stards.

Think back to your classmates at school, where the kids were less guarded and their true colours allowed to shine through... The teachers might shake their heads and despair for the dippy kids who grew up to vote left, but I guarantee the nasty little f*ckers that grew up to vote right were suspected of a personality disorder or two.
Again, that idea that there aren't nice and nasty people all the way across the political spectrum. You're defining the left as hippies and the right as racists. Actually, there are plenty of horrible racists who vote for left wing parties, and there are plenty of very nice, fair minded people who utterly despise racism but vote for Conservative economic policies. Your caricatures betray your prejudices and the narrowness of your life experience.
I'm sorry, did I say Nigel Farage is a racist?

Your post is guilty of exactly what you're accused me of. You described plenty of horrible racists voting left, but plenty of very nice fair minded people who utterly despise racism as voting right... you've characterised the two groups but over described the right! (which I am probably guilty of, too)

With regards to life experience, my background is of a Right leaning town. Personally, I'd (economically) be better off voting Right.

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
quotequote all
It was a counterpoint to your illustration - there are nice and horrible people all the way across the spectrum. You picked a bunch of BNP types for your poor right wing - not an elderly Conservative voter, of which there are many. What's your beef with Farage?

HewManHeMan

2,348 posts

121 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
quotequote all
otolith said:
It was a counterpoint to your illustration - there are nice and horrible people all the way across the spectrum. You picked a bunch of BNP types for your poor right wing - not an elderly Conservative voter, of which there are many. What's your beef with Farage?
He's a tt.

And the elderly can be tts, too.

Randy Winkman

16,018 posts

188 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
quotequote all
cookie118 said:
XM5ER said:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/03/feminis...

It seems that they are equally intolerant of each other.
I had to laugh at breitbart this week-on an article criticising college humour for not allowing comments on a YouTube video and decrying the 'left shutting down opposing opinions' they then had many commenters saying that they'd in fact been banned or had comments deleted for putting down left leaning or contrary opinions in the breitbart comments. Breitbart of course took notice of this-and deleted and banned several of the people in that comment thread :Rolleyes:

Given as well the way that Britain first acts with regards to deleting and barring opposing opinions I think it's just that people don't like being told they're wrong
Pistonheads is a great place to find out which are the websites that try to look like news sites but are just right wing propaganda.

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
quotequote all
HewManHeMan said:
He's a tt
You've already said that, and that you're not calling him a racist, so what's your beef?

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Wednesday 11th November 2015
quotequote all
Randy Winkman said:
Pistonheads is a great place to find out which are the websites that try to look like news sites but are just right wing propaganda.
Mirror images of the Guardian and HuffPo.

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
quotequote all
Randy Winkman said:
Pistonheads is a great place to find out which are the websites that try to look like news sites but are just right wing propaganda.
It's not a revelation, surely. When I head over to the BBC website or The Guardian online it's no surprise that they're full of it, i.e. left-wing propaganda.

Another thing about PistonHeads is that it's a great place for spotting people who don't know the difference between primary and secondary sources, pretty much every time they're standing left-field.

On a different tack, covering stories that the BBC and The Guardian ignore, due to their own agendas and selective reporting, isn't bias. The more widespread nature of nasty left-wing intolerance may occasionally get reported in those places, particularly on dates when Porcine Aviator Illustrated gets new material.

AJS-

15,366 posts

235 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
quotequote all
I'm reading The River War by Winston Churchill at the moment, written when he was in Sudan in 1899.

He made the point that communism and Islam were remarkably alike in certain ways, in that both see themselves as the inevitable next stage on a one way march of history, and neither tolerate dissent or criticism. They both share a cry-bully modus operandi which claims persecution, but also preaches perpetual war or revolution until it achieves global dominance. Both will at best grudgingly tolerate those who believe in something else. Both claim they stand for peace and justice, but show little hesitation about using great violence to achieve it.

I think this reflects the fact that both tend to be the product of a fanatical belief in something demonstrably false, and a feeling of that you are ultimately not in control of your own destiny. Rather that it is pre-ordained, and we are moral to the extent to which we expedite and revere it.


WinkleHoff

736 posts

234 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
quotequote all
AJS- said:
I'm reading The River War by Winston Churchill at the moment, written when he was in Sudan in 1899.

He made the point that communism and Islam were remarkably alike in certain ways, in that both see themselves as the inevitable next stage on a one way march of history, and neither tolerate dissent or criticism. They both share a cry-bully modus operandi which claims persecution, but also preaches perpetual war or revolution until it achieves global dominance. Both will at best grudgingly tolerate those who believe in something else. Both claim they stand for peace and justice, but show little hesitation about using great violence to achieve it.

I think this reflects the fact that both tend to be the product of a fanatical belief in something demonstrably false, and a feeling of that you are ultimately not in control of your own destiny. Rather that it is pre-ordained, and we are moral to the extent to which we expedite and revere it.
This is the book that had Paul Weston arrested for reading passages from it outside Winchester town hall. Left wing shut down of Islamic criticism?



AJS-

15,366 posts

235 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
quotequote all
Looking forward to my next installment even more now! I didn't know about that utterly shocking case of political harassment. Thanks.

durbster

10,223 posts

221 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
quotequote all
AJS- said:
He made the point that communism and Islam were remarkably alike in certain ways, in that both see themselves as the inevitable next stage on a one way march of history, and neither tolerate dissent or criticism. They both share a cry-bully modus operandi which claims persecution, but also preaches perpetual war or revolution until it achieves global dominance. Both will at best grudgingly tolerate those who believe in something else. Both claim they stand for peace and justice, but show little hesitation about using great violence to achieve it.
You could easily ascribe almost all of that to the United States post-WW2 (certainly post Churchill). They are demonstrably intolerant of other ways of life, they claim to stand for peace and justice and yet they have used greater violence than any other nation on earth.