Syria - whose side are we on
Discussion
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Standard British foreign policy states that the enemy of our enemy is our friend. With that knowledge you can become Foreign Secretary, and many have.
So to answer the question, IS are the baddies and the Syrian govt are goodies. Apart from the fact that the Syrian govt are the baddies. Col. Gadaffi hated Islamic fundamentalists, so he was a goody, which is why we killed him. And the Taliban who gave rise to IS are definitely the baddies, but the forerunners of the Taliban were the Mujahideen, who were the goodies, because they were fighting the Soviets, who were the baddies. Iran are the baddies too, which is why we supported Iraq, who were the goodies, until they invaded Kuwait, who were goodies, so Iraq became the baddies and Iran became goodies.
It's all perfectly straightforward.
The Taliban had stuff-all to do with IS, now or ever.So to answer the question, IS are the baddies and the Syrian govt are goodies. Apart from the fact that the Syrian govt are the baddies. Col. Gadaffi hated Islamic fundamentalists, so he was a goody, which is why we killed him. And the Taliban who gave rise to IS are definitely the baddies, but the forerunners of the Taliban were the Mujahideen, who were the goodies, because they were fighting the Soviets, who were the baddies. Iran are the baddies too, which is why we supported Iraq, who were the goodies, until they invaded Kuwait, who were goodies, so Iraq became the baddies and Iran became goodies.
It's all perfectly straightforward.
Get your fact right man, even thought I understand the point you're trying to make.
Your as bad as some on here who fit every faction operating in Syria against the regime into a single category and other than 'opposing the regime' you cannot.
Phil
wtdoom said:
This is where we disagree . You think the coalition is somehow in cahoots with daesh .
No I don't. I've said no such thing. wtdoom said:
Nor is daesh being contained or used to weaken Assad , they are weakening Assad to an extent but that is a consequence .
We can agree to disagree. 
ash73 said:
Jimboka said:
Funny how Putin usually makes the right call..
Perhaps he could have a word with his mates in Iran, and tell them to start acting like human beings instead of chimpanzees.http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/ar...
Woman shakes hands with man = "illegitimate sexual relationship short of adultery"
Nuts.
ash73 said:
Perhaps he could have a word with his mates in Iran, and tell them to start acting like human beings instead of chimpanzees.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/ar...
Woman shakes hands with man = "illegitimate sexual relationship short of adultery"
Nuts.
And these are the people we are supposedly trusting not to build a nuclear weapon.http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/ar...
Woman shakes hands with man = "illegitimate sexual relationship short of adultery"
Nuts.
Backward, mediaeval, dangerous fkrs.
ash73 said:
jimmybobby said:
If that is the way people wish to live within that country then so be it.
It will be our problem when these ignorant peasants living by stone age values get their hands on nuclear weapons. Iran and Syria are sponsored by Russia so Putin is the key; he's lauded as a shrewd statesman but what does he actually do?AA999 said:
Isn't UK policy on all matters 'middle-east' to blindly follow the yanks?
So which ever leader is not acting in the widening scope of US national interest is deemed a tyrant which must be removed and have a western democracy put in place.
Yup! America says jump we throw ourselves off a cliff laughing hysterically with joy at our compliance. We dont question it at all not even to ask how high.So which ever leader is not acting in the widening scope of US national interest is deemed a tyrant which must be removed and have a western democracy put in place.
Assad gives excuse for another vote in parliament...
Syria conflict: New evidence of chemical attacks - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-342132...
Syria conflict: New evidence of chemical attacks - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-342132...
Cobnapint said:
Assad gives excuse for another vote in parliament...
Syria conflict: New evidence of chemical attacks - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-342132...
These would be the same chemical weapons he voluntarily gave up right?? Syria conflict: New evidence of chemical attacks - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-342132...
When will this crap stop? Assad may have sanctioned the torture and murder of people to maintain national stability but he and his sect are not known for considering human life to be worthless in the same way those who oppose him do.
Assad and his supporters are known to be moderates whereas those who oppose him are extremists who in general believe in a variant of Islam where anyone who is not from that group is a sub human and to be tortured raped murdered and beheaded.
Those who oppose Assad are known to have killed people in deliberate set up PR videos to try make it look like it was done by the assad regime. Anyone who thinks they would not use chemical weapons against their own people to try make Assad look like he did it are utterly deluded.
AJS- said:
I'm starting to wonder if the government are simply stirring this up to make more Syrians move to Europe. I have no idea why they want to do this, but it is the net effect and they seem to be encouraging it. Strange.
Even by your standards, this is just weird. If you actually believe that you should seek help, urgently, before the voices get too loud.ash73 said:
Jimboka said:
Funny how Putin usually makes the right call..
Perhaps he could have a word with his mates in Iran, and tell them to start acting like human beings instead of chimpanzees.http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/ar...
Woman shakes hands with man = "illegitimate sexual relationship short of adultery"
Nuts.
jimmybobby said:
These would be the same chemical weapons he voluntarily gave up right??
When will this crap stop? Assad may have sanctioned the torture and murder of people to maintain national stability but he and his sect are not known for considering human life to be worthless in the same way those who oppose him do.
Assad and his supporters are known to be moderates whereas those who oppose him are extremists who in general believe in a variant of Islam where anyone who is not from that group is a sub human and to be tortured raped murdered and beheaded.
Those who oppose Assad are known to have killed people in deliberate set up PR videos to try make it look like it was done by the assad regime. Anyone who thinks they would not use chemical weapons against their own people to try make Assad look like he did it are utterly deluded.
Jim,When will this crap stop? Assad may have sanctioned the torture and murder of people to maintain national stability but he and his sect are not known for considering human life to be worthless in the same way those who oppose him do.
Assad and his supporters are known to be moderates whereas those who oppose him are extremists who in general believe in a variant of Islam where anyone who is not from that group is a sub human and to be tortured raped murdered and beheaded.
Those who oppose Assad are known to have killed people in deliberate set up PR videos to try make it look like it was done by the assad regime. Anyone who thinks they would not use chemical weapons against their own people to try make Assad look like he did it are utterly deluded.
I honestly feel your view of Assad and his henchmen (Iranians, Hezbollah + paid mercenaries from Afghanistan, Chechnya etc) is somewhat skewed and lacking in research or independant references.
This is a pro 'free Syria' blog but spend just a day or two reading the posts, register and add your thoughts or questions and you may see Assad from a different angle; http://gofreesyria.blogspot.co.at/2014/12/dec-2014...
Phil
Foppo said:
Of course Assad is not your friendly neighbourhood caretaker.He has a agenda ,the Russians support this regime.They have bases in Syria.
But who will his replacement be? the area is a quagmire.
Someone friendly to US interests ofc. In this case that translates to gas pipelines.But who will his replacement be? the area is a quagmire.
Always makes me chuckle when people think these sorts of clashes have anything to do with human rights, etc. There is a reason so much conflict has been stirred up in the ME specifically in the past 20 years, and it ain't because they care about the people.
scherzkeks said:
Someone friendly to US interests ofc. In this case that translates to gas pipelines.
Always makes me chuckle when people think these sorts of clashes have anything to do with human rights, etc. There is a reason so much conflict has been stirred up in the ME specifically in the past 20 years, and it ain't because they care about the people.
It's easy to foresee that the situation's only going to get worse, globally, as the human population increases...and the conflict won't just be over oil, either. The meek will not inherit the Earth.Always makes me chuckle when people think these sorts of clashes have anything to do with human rights, etc. There is a reason so much conflict has been stirred up in the ME specifically in the past 20 years, and it ain't because they care about the people.
Transmitter Man said:
jimmybobby said:
These would be the same chemical weapons he voluntarily gave up right??
When will this crap stop? Assad may have sanctioned the torture and murder of people to maintain national stability but he and his sect are not known for considering human life to be worthless in the same way those who oppose him do.
Assad and his supporters are known to be moderates whereas those who oppose him are extremists who in general believe in a variant of Islam where anyone who is not from that group is a sub human and to be tortured raped murdered and beheaded.
Those who oppose Assad are known to have killed people in deliberate set up PR videos to try make it look like it was done by the assad regime. Anyone who thinks they would not use chemical weapons against their own people to try make Assad look like he did it are utterly deluded.
Jim,When will this crap stop? Assad may have sanctioned the torture and murder of people to maintain national stability but he and his sect are not known for considering human life to be worthless in the same way those who oppose him do.
Assad and his supporters are known to be moderates whereas those who oppose him are extremists who in general believe in a variant of Islam where anyone who is not from that group is a sub human and to be tortured raped murdered and beheaded.
Those who oppose Assad are known to have killed people in deliberate set up PR videos to try make it look like it was done by the assad regime. Anyone who thinks they would not use chemical weapons against their own people to try make Assad look like he did it are utterly deluded.
I honestly feel your view of Assad and his henchmen (Iranians, Hezbollah + paid mercenaries from Afghanistan, Chechnya etc) is somewhat skewed and lacking in research or independant references.
This is a pro 'free Syria' blog but spend just a day or two reading the posts, register and add your thoughts or questions and you may see Assad from a different angle; http://gofreesyria.blogspot.co.at/2014/12/dec-2014...
Phil
Rather than suggesting I use grouped sites supporting opposing views maybe doing independent research and looking into videos and actions of the various factions involved including western governments actions would be a better move dont you think?
Its only recently been discussed that the US are aiding the "friendly" rebels and potentially providing them with weapons. I knew this to be the case probably a year or two ago now from finding a source of information where an American government official admitted it.
There is lots and lots of evidence out there about how the rebels and western governments are using PR ploys to try in effect frame the Assad regime and make them look like the bad guys who need to be removed.
Remember the US chemical weapons farce? "OOOh if that naughty naughty Assad uses chemical weapons on his own people thats a line in the sand and we will crush him and send in ground troops" then ever so conveniently a week or two later there was a chemical weapons attack blamed on Assad and the US started gearing up.
Info then got out that it was unlear if it was Assad after all and there were allegations it was a set up between the US government and other parties and the waters got very very murky and the US stamped their feet and said it was him we are certain....ish but quietly let the whole thing die down.
Assad is no saint and his regime has done things that to you me and many others may be unpalatable but make no mistake he was and is a good leader and that is why when the last elections were held he was re elected. Under Assad Syria was a safe country relatively. Since the US and everyone else got involved and plotted to remove him it has turned into a s
thole with millions displaced and tens if not hundreds of thousands dead.His regime was changing but the change was very slow and that is a VERY good thing you dont simply hand over to someone else without making sure a safe framework is in place. Look at South Africa to see what happens when you just hand over without doing so.
Did you ever see this which the western press and US government ignored and seemed to bury???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2yS3K1NnoE
Jim,
Did you even bother to read say one days posts, or not?
You'll see that there are links in many posts to the news source.
These sources include SANA TV, Hezbollah TV, Jewish Times, UK mainstream press, various moderate through radical Islamic sites and a whole deal more.
Now please, I'll buy a pint if you spend just a few minutes reading before commenting.
I promise you will not fail.
Phil
Did you even bother to read say one days posts, or not?
You'll see that there are links in many posts to the news source.
These sources include SANA TV, Hezbollah TV, Jewish Times, UK mainstream press, various moderate through radical Islamic sites and a whole deal more.
Now please, I'll buy a pint if you spend just a few minutes reading before commenting.
I promise you will not fail.
Phil
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