British Airways 777 fire at Las Vegas airport
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Any pilots familiar with McCarran? I've got a random (and possibly stupid) question.....I've never (in about 20 trips) taken off on that runway heading east (as this 777 was doing), it's always taken off to the west then had to loop round to head south, or more recently north/east.
I'd landed once last year from the west in a BA 747 (which then needed a go-around, however he was far too high on approach), but in general I thought a take-off to the east was avoided here. Like I said, probably a daft question (if so I've made myself an easy target so flame away
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I'd landed once last year from the west in a BA 747 (which then needed a go-around, however he was far too high on approach), but in general I thought a take-off to the east was avoided here. Like I said, probably a daft question (if so I've made myself an easy target so flame away
)jsc15 said:
Any pilots familiar with McCarran? I've got a random (and possibly stupid) question.....I've never (in about 20 trips) taken off on that runway heading east (as this 777 was doing), it's always taken off to the west then had to loop round to head south, or more recently north/east.
I'd landed once last year from the west in a BA 747 (which then needed a go-around, however he was far too high on approach), but in general I thought a take-off to the east was avoided here. Like I said, probably a daft question (if so I've made myself an easy target so flame away )
AIUI Planes take off into the wind. Sometimes the wind is from the opposite direction .I'd landed once last year from the west in a BA 747 (which then needed a go-around, however he was far too high on approach), but in general I thought a take-off to the east was avoided here. Like I said, probably a daft question (if so I've made myself an easy target so flame away
)Blue Cat said:
Unless you have been in this situation, I don't think that you can understand how people can react.
Friend on mine was in a car which went through a hedge, rolled and he ended up hanging up upside down in the car. What did he do, he undid his seat belt so he could reach the radio to switch it off. Of course doing that he then fell on his head on the roof and hurt his neck.
We of course, laughed and said why do something so stupid and he said he didn't know, it was just seemed the thing to do and I think that when things are out of their control and confusing, people do things which may seem strange but made perfect sense to them at the time. I can see people taking bags thinking this will save problems later, I will have my documents etc.
Happened to a driver at Loton Park hillclimb. Rolled his 205, finished on the roof. first thing he did was look down and undid his harness. Broke his neck in the fall onto the roof. His answer as why was just, "just get out" without realising the world was upside down.Friend on mine was in a car which went through a hedge, rolled and he ended up hanging up upside down in the car. What did he do, he undid his seat belt so he could reach the radio to switch it off. Of course doing that he then fell on his head on the roof and hurt his neck.
We of course, laughed and said why do something so stupid and he said he didn't know, it was just seemed the thing to do and I think that when things are out of their control and confusing, people do things which may seem strange but made perfect sense to them at the time. I can see people taking bags thinking this will save problems later, I will have my documents etc.
kapiteinlangzaam said:
Im struggling to make the tenuous link between an incorrectly loaded/overloaded cargo hold and passengers with hand luggage exiting during an emergency 
You are quite correct, there is no direct link in this case. My original comment was that the authorities could have seized the baggage as part of the crash investigation. You originally asked for a case where baggage had been a factor in a crash - I provided it and another member has given a second case. In this case there appears to be non direct link here between over loading and the baggage being taken during the evacuation. The weight of the baggage may be of interest for the investigation to calculate the total aircraft weight against the throttle settings and acceleration as this may give a clue at to engine health.
I will be very interested to see the findings. Last time BA lost a 777 I ended up with a lot of work to do on a similar part to the one that caused the problem on that aircraft.
Dr Jekyll said:
Getting a bit O/T, but apparently a common mistake in an airliner evacuation is for passengers to fumble with the seat belt at their hip while trying to find the belt release.
I posted something similar after an un-enjoyable roller coaster experience. Muscle memory kicks in and you subconsciously go for the default action.This is why the crew go over the drillls again and again so when it comes to a live scenario the drill memory kicks in. The SLF don't have that luxury hence the unusual reactions to what what you would think is a predictable response.
juice said:
ATC audio here...
https://clyp.it/jrvdzhrw
Always amazed by pilots in an emergency, so calm and matter of fact !
Yes very....https://clyp.it/jrvdzhrw
Always amazed by pilots in an emergency, so calm and matter of fact !
Bumped into an old friend of mine at the Goodwood Revival and it turned out she was on this flight. Bit of a shock!
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