Joyless feminism

[dudleybloke]

So because they kept their head stuck up their arse for the last 20 years its someone else's fault.

[steveatesh]

Moonhawk said:

Indeed.

https://www.crowdjustice.co.uk/case/women-seeking-...

Interestingly the page states:

"The Turner Commission recommended 15 years notice, and Saga recommended 10 years. Yet many women report receiving little or no notice."

But then goes on to state:

"......many women were not aware at the time of these changes (1995). Although there was – not surprisingly – widespread media coverage of the issue, for women in their mid 40s at the time, pensions might not have been a subject of great interest."

So basically - it was widely reported 20 years before these women were due to reach retirement age (i.e. longer than both the Turner Commission and SAGA recommend)......yet they just didn't bother to take notice......erm.....

I imagine they didn't notice because they are too used to being looked after. I read an interesting article on "prepers" in The Times recently (. Not the American red neck variety that arm themselves with AK47s for the next Zombie Attack, but the more logical British type who prepare for power cuts and floods and financial crashes). The article covered why more men were prepers than women and concluded that it was because women believe that in the event of a disaster men will rescue them and look after them, so they don't have to Prep

[ChemicalChaos]

Anyone else spot the slight bias here?




Remember, men can't possibly be victims

[xjay1337]

See now, if that article was written the other way around, all of the women would be up in arms.
I recently went to a Borough Council for a site visit.
On the way in it was "domestic abuse awareness week".
I thought great, had a quick skim of the data sheets etc, all it went on about was women are victims, blah blah, everything was pink/purple, there was not a SINGLE mention of where men can go for domestic abuse, or a contact number for them.

[Digga]

Got a mate who's been a police officer for years and the two things that surprised him (and me) the most with regard to domestic violence were the prevalence in certain, very expensive residential areas and the frequency of the normally assumed gender roles being reversed - i.e the men taking the clobbering. It is still the minority but it is a disgrace that the authorities fail to acknowledge the issue.

[Crush]

Digga said:

Got a mate who's been a police officer for years and the two things that surprised him (and me) the most with regard to domestic violence were the prevalence in certain, very expensive residential areas and the frequency of the normally assumed gender roles being reversed - i.e the men taking the clobbering. It is still the minority but it is a disgrace that the authorities fail to acknowledge the issue.

If you've worked in pubs/ clubs, you'd notice that most aggression and violence comes from the 'fairer sex'.

[C.A.R.]

Crush said:

Digga said:

Got a mate who's been a police officer for years and the two things that surprised him (and me) the most with regard to domestic violence were the prevalence in certain, very expensive residential areas and the frequency of the normally assumed gender roles being reversed - i.e the men taking the clobbering. It is still the minority but it is a disgrace that the authorities fail to acknowledge the issue.

If you've worked in pubs/ clubs, you'd notice that most aggression and violence comes from the 'fairer sex'.

Absolutley this, there was a good BBC Three documentary a few weeks ago on this very issue about violent young women.

Now I'm going to say something a bit controversial;

My Mrs has lashed out at me a couple of times. She'd hate me forever if she found out I had told anyone else. I wouldn't lift a finger to hurt her; which she knows. Usually it's at the end of an argument, when she hasn't got her own way and she resorts to lobbing things or physically punching. The punching I don't mind, she's built like a stick insect so it's just mildly irritating. But this year she threw something at me and it made contact, cutting me on the head near my right eye. I was furious. I don't think I've ever shouted so loudly at a woman! Fortunately these incidents are very few and far between, but it's a serious issue we are both open about with each other and she's aware that if it happens again then I will insist she seeks some help. It happens once or twice a year in terms of frequency. I'll just have to keep my guard up!

[Moonhawk]

Digga said:

Got a mate who's been a police officer for years and the two things that surprised him (and me) the most with regard to domestic violence were the prevalence in certain, very expensive residential areas and the frequency of the normally assumed gender roles being reversed - i.e the men taking the clobbering. It is still the minority but it is a disgrace that the authorities fail to acknowledge the issue.

Not by much of some studies are to be believed.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men...

It may get reported much less - but that doesn't mean it doesn't go on. How many men have been on the receiving end of a slap, punch, kick etc during the course of an argument. Even in Hollywood movies and prime time TV it's still seen as acceptable (and even justified) to show women dishing out a bit of physical punishment for even minor indiscretions on behalf of the man.

[thismonkeyhere]

ChemicalChaos said:

Another good article here on how out of touch the vocal shouty ones are:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/12045740/Todays-f...

What a great article!

[Rovinghawk]

Crush said:

If you've worked in pubs/ clubs, you'd notice that most aggression and violence comes from the 'fairer sex'.

The guys know they'll end up getting a smack if they misbehave- the women generally don't suffer any consequences for their actions.

[turbobloke]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Your suspicions are well-founded. As mentioned in other DV/family violence threads, one study of emergency room patients showed that only 1% of men who were injured by their wives to an extent requiring hospital treatment reported the incident to police. As a result, police stats are skewed, not that it's entirely their fault.

[Derek Smith]

There was a call to a pub in an area of Brighton that is described as cosmopolitan. It was the first time there had been a call to a fight there that I can remember. I got there fractionally after two PCs did - experience is a valuable asset - and following them into the pub I bumped into them as they suddenly stopped.

It looked ostensibly normal, with one bunch of people rolling about in the middle of the dance floor and others standing around the edge, but the gender roles were reversed: men standing around, women fighting. It was weird, surreal in fact.

I've been to a call where the man has been stabbed and the woman has claimed it was he who assaulted her. No injuries were found on her but according to force orders, we, or at least the reporting officer, should have arrested the bloke.

I've known an old boy of about 80 who was beaten by his daughter for refusing to die.

My experience is that men being assaulted by women is a minority, but I've seen some serious injuries, once when a heavy pan had been used to hit the bloke around the back of the head. We once prosecuted a bloke, who was badly bruised after an attack by his girlfriend, for inflicting bruises on her: he'd grabbed her wrists to stop her hitting him but she'd carried on kicking him. He had a decent brief and the case didn't get to court, CPS having second thoughts.

I was to go on a domestic violence awareness course and, following my normal MO, I did some research. I read a report on injuries to children in another country. I'm not sure which, but have a feeling it might have been the USA. It showed that non-sexual assaults causing ABH or worse on children, ran at <20% male offenders, >80% female. It set me thinking so I tried to discover the figures for this country but it proved difficult. I got them for another European country, Germany I'm pretty sure, and whilst the differentiation was not so marked, the majority of offenders were female. However, when it came to prosecutions - remember these resulted in substantial, up to serious, bodily harm - males predominated.

My experience is that it is best not to mention these gender differences in a domestic violence session where professional woman take them.

[steveatesh]

Moonhawk said:

Not by much of some studies are to be believed.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men...

It may get reported much less - but that doesn't mean it doesn't go on. How many men have been on the receiving end of a slap, punch, kick etc during the course of an argument. Even in Hollywood movies and prime time TV it's still seen as acceptable (and even justified) to show women dishing out a bit of physical punishment for even minor indiscretions on behalf of the man.

That article is 5 years out of date but the principals are the same today. As an ex BiB I worked with three officers who openly had to admit they were being assaulted by their wives - the evidence was clear to see - but they would not officially report it.

Male victims are overlooked too, even when they do report it they are not dealt with the same as females. For example, :
http://www.inside-man.co.uk/2015/12/17/4580/

Article states:
"Worryingly, boys are less likely to report abuse. Only 1 boy for every 10 girls aged 16 and 17 reported a sexual assault or rape to 25 police forces in England in the last year.

There’s also evidence that professionals are undertrained for dealing with male sexual exploitation. The Children’s Society says that referrals to specialist projects jump when training on how boys are affected by sexual exploitation is given to social care, education, health and law enforcement professionals.

No one is suggesting that boys’ needs are more important than those of girls. Exploitation is a massive issue for females too. It transpires that one in ten 16 and 17 year old girls claim to have experienced a sexual offence over the past year.

Unfortunately, boys’ issues are not as high profile. This is something that has to change."

I read an article last week on how male victims of violence and sexual assault have just been airbrushed out of a recent official report (I think it was a CPS report, could have been ONS as I have read so many recently!) , which highlighted violence against women and girls. When they HAD to admit men and boys are victims, they referred rot them as "Young people" to avoid the issue.

I'm afraid that the dominant position is feminism which has to be one of the most successful political ideologies around. Feminism supports equality for women and girls, whilst true equality would support equality for women and girls and men and boys as both genders suffer from various issues. Feminism is so successful that it stops or prevents the discussion of men and boys issues in official settings. The linked website makes some really interesting reading.

Justice4Men will suggest that ther are 20 areas of policy where men and boys are disadvantaged by the State (NB - the state, not by the actions of individuals or organisations which is what feminism usually talks about), including education, suicide support, health provision, civil courts, homelessness victims of violence etc. And yet parliament struggled to talk about male suicide in November despite it being around 3:1 male:female.

Even getting mens issues on the agenda is difficult, let alone doing something about them.

[turbobloke]

steveatesh said:

I read an article last week on how male victims of violence and sexual assault have just been airbrushed out of a recent official report (I think it was a CPS report, could have been ONS as I have read so many recently!) , which highlighted violence against women and girls. When they HAD to admit men and boys are victims, they referred rot them as "Young people" to avoid the issue.

That's spot on in terms of what would be found these days from relatively easily available 'official' reports, but there's quite a good supply of objective information on the more academic side:

“Invisible Touch” MJ George in Aggression and Violent Behaviour, 8, 23-60, (2003)

“Sex Differences in Partner Aggression” (Psychological Bulletin, paper by Dr Archer of the University of Central Lancashire)

And at least one book, Intimate Violence in Families by Gelles.

What emerged from a read-through of those and similar works is that:

1. Women are three times more likely than men to use weapons in spousal violence
2. Women initiate most incidents of spousal violence
3. Women commit most child abuse and most elder abuse
4. Women hit their male children more frequently and more severely than they hit their female children
5. Women commit most child murders and 64% of their victims are male children
6. When women murder adults the majority of their victims are men.
7. Women commit 52% of spousal killings and are convicted of 41% of spousal murders
8. 82% of the general population had their first experience of violence at the hands of a woman
9. Only 1% of men seeking emergency treatment for an injury caused by their wife or female partner report the incident to police

[Pesty]

No. 8


Interesting at around age 9 I was stood outside my house when a 15 year old girl punched me in the mouth, split my lip open with the ring she was wearing, blood everywhere. Complete stranger didn't know her from Adam. Still have a scar.

[eric twinge]

I was given a black eye and a split lip on NYE 1999/2000 from the girlfriend at that time, mind you she was from Basingstoke so perhaps I should have known better.

Edited by eric twinge on Thursday 24th December 08:26

[iSore]

As soon as I saw a pic of that sour faced bh I thought:

I've seen your sister. I think.

[hornetrider]

Here's an interesting one...

Wail said:

Female entrepreneur is horrified after she's bombarded by men labelling her LinkedIn photo 'sexy' and 'tasty'

Link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3815614/...

After she posted the following picture on Linkedin.

[dudleybloke]

Eye wood.

[mondeoman]

dudleybloke said:

Eye wood.

EYE wouldn't - you can guarantee that under all that muck there's a very average face with a wk personality.