Joyless feminism

[Gargamel]

DJRC said:

There is right and there is reality.

Something I tell my customers on a regular basis - I don't care what is meant to or should happen, I only care about the reality and what can happen.

Be the change you want to see in the world...;)

I swing both ways on this, professionally I try to only hire on competency and skills, not looks or other unconscious bias. However it is extremely difficult at times, you do just have preferences for looks and personality that can be hard to get away from. Especially when you have a "pool" of people and can pick whomever you wish as a colleague (as in law or accountancy firms)

[andy-xr]

TeamD said:

So please explain to me why women wear makeup?

I dont know, I'm not a woman. I have an inkling that it might be because they can, want to, or in some way or other feel they'd like to or have to.

But I cant give you the answer I think you're looking for, and even if I could - with a loaded question like that following my earlier post, I'm not sure the answer would be good enough for you. Maybe this article can give you the answer you're looking for; http://elitedaily.com/women/wear-makeup-when-you-w...

[TeamD]

Do keep up at the back there.

We've moved on, besides, whether it be makeup or state of dress makes no odds, the nutter wants a world that does not exist and, despite her best efforts, never will.

[DoubleByte]

Seems like a honey trap to me

[technodup]

DoubleByte said:

Seems like a honey trap to me

Except the honey is a bit mouldy.

[Smollet]

technodup said:

xcept the honey is a bit mouldy.

Actually that's one thing honey doesn't do.

[TeamD]

Smollet said:

technodup said:

xcept the honey is a bit mouldy.

Actually that's one thing honey doesn't do.

Yup, it tastes horrid even when fresh

[Sheepshanks]

cookie118 said:

The majority of girls I've spoken to usr makeup because it gives them a bit of a confidence boost-its an internal thing, you know sometimes not everything women do about attractiveness etc is for the benefit of men.

There been studies which show that what women most hope for when they make themselves look pretty is compliments from other women.

[TeamD]

Sheepshanks said:

cookie118 said:

The majority of girls I've spoken to usr makeup because it gives them a bit of a confidence boost-its an internal thing, you know sometimes not everything women do about attractiveness etc is for the benefit of men.

There been studies which show that what women most hope for when they make themselves look pretty is compliments from other women.

Please provide links supporting this statement, as it stands it sounds like "A bloke down the pub told me."

[VX Foxy]

OpulentBob said:

OK, OK. If nobody else will, I'll do it.

Pixel bloke, you've work to do!

[anonymous-user]

Sheepshanks said:

cookie118 said:

The majority of girls I've spoken to usr makeup because it gives them a bit of a confidence boost-its an internal thing, you know sometimes not everything women do about attractiveness etc is for the benefit of men.

There been studies which show that what women most hope for when they make themselves look pretty is compliments from other women.

Lol. Yea right!!

[alfaman]

My guess is she's not a fan of Pitbull - I wonder if she's written him a pompous / patronizing note stating how demeaning his music is ?

[Moonhawk]

Hmm - the mail just aren't letting up on this one:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3231741/Ch...

Whilst I think she massively over reacted to the message and it was a bit nasty to release a private message for all and sundry to see - the witch hunt she is now enduring is going too far.

I guess that's the problem putting yourself in the media spotlight - you have to ride the wave, wherever it takes you.

[irocfan]

anonymous said:

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this ^^^ she grabbed the tiger by the tail - now she's got to live with it

[Talksteer]

TeamD said:

Sheepshanks said:

cookie118 said:

The majority of girls I've spoken to usr makeup because it gives them a bit of a confidence boost-its an internal thing, you know sometimes not everything women do about attractiveness etc is for the benefit of men.

There been studies which show that what women most hope for when they make themselves look pretty is compliments from other women.

Please provide links supporting this statement, as it stands it sounds like "A bloke down the pub told me."

Most "studies" which purport to explain what people want are generally flawed unless they take into account the difference between expressed and revealed preference.

If you ask someone a question they are going to be concious of giving the "right" answer that conforms to their own prejudices or that conforms to what they think the question asker is looking for.

Saying "I wear make-up to attract men" in today's society has numerous negative connotations, I'd be surprised if many women would admit to that even to themselves. In fact I suspect most women will not be keeping tabs of how much make-up they wear and in what situations.

The only valid way of working it out would be to put a sample of women in a number of situations and observe them without them knowing why and see if proximity of males and availability correlate with amount of make-up worn.

The opposite experiment is actually very easy, you put pictures of the same women wearing different levels of make-up into popular dating apps. The revealed preference is that men actually like a lot of make-up, only once you look like a clown/drag queen does it start being negative.

One last unscientific observation is to look at the revealed preference when men and women start trying to pull members of the same sex. Stereotypically the men try to become prettier, better groomed and buff the women go the other way.......

[Moonhawk]

Talksteer said:

The only valid way of working it out would be to put a sample of women in a number of situations and observe them without them knowing why and see if proximity of males and availability correlate with amount of make-up worn.

You could put women in an environment with no men - and one with loads of men - then observe if there is a difference in the number of trips to the bathroom to check or reapply their makeup.

If the makeup is there for their own benefit - there should be no difference.

[Einion Yrth]

Moonhawk said:

Talksteer said:

The only valid way of working it out would be to put a sample of women in a number of situations and observe them without them knowing why and see if proximity of males and availability correlate with amount of make-up worn.

You could put women in an environment with no men - and one with loads of men - then observe if there is a difference in the number of trips to the bathroom to check or reapply their makeup.

If the makeup is there for their own benefit - there should be no difference.

Do nuns wear make-up?

[Moonhawk]

Einion Yrth said:

Moonhawk said:

Talksteer said:

The only valid way of working it out would be to put a sample of women in a number of situations and observe them without them knowing why and see if proximity of males and availability correlate with amount of make-up worn.

You could put women in an environment with no men - and one with loads of men - then observe if there is a difference in the number of trips to the bathroom to check or reapply their makeup.

If the makeup is there for their own benefit - there should be no difference.

Do nuns wear make-up?

No idea - but I was thinking the study should be conducted in more alongs the lines of your average "girls night out" type venue rather than a convent.

Edited by Moonhawk on Saturday 12th September 19:32

[anonymous-user]

Are mumsnet making a fuss over this? I CBA to dip my toe...

[turbobloke]

OpulentBob said:

Are mumsnet making a fuss over this? I CBA to dip my toe...

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2465275-Charlotte-Proudman


www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/a2465058-The-barrister-...

I CanBA to find a link or two but Can'tBA to wade through after getting a toe nearby.