Joyless feminism
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I've seen Legally Blonde so don't doubt what she said might be true in her mind at least.
But, I reckon for every female would-be pupil given the wink-wink-suck me off for a job treatment, I'd say there would be two who have offered to give favours in return for a job without having been asked first.
"I'd do anything for a training contract"
"Anything you say?"
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But, I reckon for every female would-be pupil given the wink-wink-suck me off for a job treatment, I'd say there would be two who have offered to give favours in return for a job without having been asked first.
"I'd do anything for a training contract"
"Anything you say?"
zzzziiiiiiip
At my rugby club my wife was friendly with the mother of one of our first team. The woman was hard working, intelligent, funny and a conversation with her was always interesting. She ran her own business, which I think she started from scratch after hubby left her, to do with supply of technical information. She had a new partner.
During a conversation with my wife and others who felt the cold more than me, she said that feminism had changed her life as since the start of the acts she'd not employed a female under the age of 45 in an important role. This generated a great deal of response from the assembled females, the suggestion being that she was anti female, but the woman said something along the lines that she had a responsibility to her her family, employees, and suppliers, and running a business with low margins meant that she could not indulge those who might not pull their weight.
One woman challenged her, something along the lines of how would you like it, and she said she hadn't enjoyed it but got over it.
She drove an upmarket car, make forgotten.
(Verbals via a third party and some years ago.)
During a conversation with my wife and others who felt the cold more than me, she said that feminism had changed her life as since the start of the acts she'd not employed a female under the age of 45 in an important role. This generated a great deal of response from the assembled females, the suggestion being that she was anti female, but the woman said something along the lines that she had a responsibility to her her family, employees, and suppliers, and running a business with low margins meant that she could not indulge those who might not pull their weight.
One woman challenged her, something along the lines of how would you like it, and she said she hadn't enjoyed it but got over it.
She drove an upmarket car, make forgotten.
(Verbals via a third party and some years ago.)
anonymous said:
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If she is or should be arguing about FGM on children (ie parents asking for it to be done due to a custom/ritual) then she has a valid point but it appears she is just arguing for the sake of it. FGM on children - dont think any/many have been prosecuted and is abhorrent to me.snipped from the link:
From the explanatory notes to the Act:
“Operations necessary for mental health could include, for example, cosmetic surgery resulting from the distress caused by a perception of abnormality or gender reassignment surgery. However, subsection (5) provides that in assessing a girl’s mental health no account is taken of any belief that the operation is needed as a matter of custom or ritual. So an FGM operation could not legally occur on the ground that a girl’s mental health would suffer if she did not conform with the prevailing custom of her community.”
Edited by superlightr on Monday 23 November 16:14
I think you've missed the point Superlight.
She seems to be saying that it is a criminal offence for surgeons to perform cosmetic surgery on people who want it to be done.
I just f
king hate that woman so much. I hate that average nobodies can get a platform for their egos nowadays. ANd I hate that I guess I am partly to blame just by typing this.
She seems to be saying that it is a criminal offence for surgeons to perform cosmetic surgery on people who want it to be done.
I just f
king hate that woman so much. I hate that average nobodies can get a platform for their egos nowadays. ANd I hate that I guess I am partly to blame just by typing this.blindswelledrat said:
I think you've missed the point Superlight.
She seems to be saying that it is a criminal offence for surgeons to perform cosmetic surgery on people who want it to be done.
I just fking hate that woman so much. I hate that average nobodies can get a platform for their egos nowadays. ANd I hate that I guess I am partly to blame just by typing this.
ah I see. carry on then. Fruit cake and nuts.She seems to be saying that it is a criminal offence for surgeons to perform cosmetic surgery on people who want it to be done.
I just f
king hate that woman so much. I hate that average nobodies can get a platform for their egos nowadays. ANd I hate that I guess I am partly to blame just by typing this.The chap she was arguing with pops up in the comments, if you scroll right down.
Simon Myerson said:
My first response was actually to say why Ms P was wrong. It is because the Act doesn’t equate ‘surgery’ with ‘mutilation’. Excision, infibulation or mutilation must be proved. Cosmetic surgery does not involve the first 2 (check out the WHO guidelines). Consequently, a jury would have to be persuaded that cosmetic surgery is mutilation – a concept undefined in the Act. Whilst ‘pressurised’ cosmetic surgery may be (see S1(5)), in my view general cosmetic surgery is unlikely to be considered mutilation by a jury. So, I’m not sure ‘Frankly’ read much and the article certainly isn’t a complete record of our … ahem … ‘exchange’.
Ms P’s starting point was actually that all cosmetic surgery is part of a patriarchal plot to diminish women. Having had a child who underwent squint correction and several clients who needed reconstructive work to make them prepared to go out in public I raised my eyebrows at that…
Of course, there is a range of views and scope for argument. Which is why I was slightly surprised to be told that, because Ms P was doing a PhD thesis on the issue, I must be wrong. The deleted tweet – in which she called me ‘love’ (an irony given her previous complaints about forms of address) – passed me by because up ‘ere in God’s own county that’s how we all refer to each other.
My kids have had this sent to them by various friends, who I can only hope were reading this in their lunch hour. Thanks for the entertainment.
Ms P’s starting point was actually that all cosmetic surgery is part of a patriarchal plot to diminish women. Having had a child who underwent squint correction and several clients who needed reconstructive work to make them prepared to go out in public I raised my eyebrows at that…
Of course, there is a range of views and scope for argument. Which is why I was slightly surprised to be told that, because Ms P was doing a PhD thesis on the issue, I must be wrong. The deleted tweet – in which she called me ‘love’ (an irony given her previous complaints about forms of address) – passed me by because up ‘ere in God’s own county that’s how we all refer to each other.
My kids have had this sent to them by various friends, who I can only hope were reading this in their lunch hour. Thanks for the entertainment.
Derek Smith said:
During a conversation with my wife and others who felt the cold more than me, she said that feminism had changed her life as since the start of the acts she'd not employed a female under the age of 45 in an important role. This generated a great deal of response from the assembled females, the suggestion being that she was anti female, but the woman said something along the lines that she had a responsibility to her her family, employees, and suppliers, and running a business with low margins meant that she could not indulge those who might not pull their weight.
The person I am referring to now is retired now and has been for over a decade so I think he's safe! This is 100% true and straight from the horses mouth, so to speak, and the horse is quite close to me.Said person was a vet and did the same - young females were a problem - and for a small business a female vet who gets pregnant is an absolute disaster. He simply didn't employ them until they were out of the "window" of opportunity.
otolith said:
The chap she was arguing with pops up in the comments, if you scroll right down.
so she called him "love " in her tweet.......... face palm.Simon Myerson said:
My first response was actually to say why Ms P was wrong. It is because the Act doesn’t equate ‘surgery’ with ‘mutilation’. Excision, infibulation or mutilation must be proved. Cosmetic surgery does not involve the first 2 (check out the WHO guidelines). Consequently, a jury would have to be persuaded that cosmetic surgery is mutilation – a concept undefined in the Act. Whilst ‘pressurised’ cosmetic surgery may be (see S1(5)), in my view general cosmetic surgery is unlikely to be considered mutilation by a jury. So, I’m not sure ‘Frankly’ read much and the article certainly isn’t a complete record of our … ahem … ‘exchange’.
Ms P’s starting point was actually that all cosmetic surgery is part of a patriarchal plot to diminish women. Having had a child who underwent squint correction and several clients who needed reconstructive work to make them prepared to go out in public I raised my eyebrows at that…
Of course, there is a range of views and scope for argument. Which is why I was slightly surprised to be told that, because Ms P was doing a PhD thesis on the issue, I must be wrong. The deleted tweet – in which she called me ‘love’ (an irony given her previous complaints about forms of address) – passed me by because up ‘ere in God’s own county that’s how we all refer to each other.
My kids have had this sent to them by various friends, who I can only hope were reading this in their lunch hour. Thanks for the entertainment.
Ms P’s starting point was actually that all cosmetic surgery is part of a patriarchal plot to diminish women. Having had a child who underwent squint correction and several clients who needed reconstructive work to make them prepared to go out in public I raised my eyebrows at that…
Of course, there is a range of views and scope for argument. Which is why I was slightly surprised to be told that, because Ms P was doing a PhD thesis on the issue, I must be wrong. The deleted tweet – in which she called me ‘love’ (an irony given her previous complaints about forms of address) – passed me by because up ‘ere in God’s own county that’s how we all refer to each other.
My kids have had this sent to them by various friends, who I can only hope were reading this in their lunch hour. Thanks for the entertainment.
Dog Star said:
Derek Smith said:
During a conversation with my wife and others who felt the cold more than me, she said that feminism had changed her life as since the start of the acts she'd not employed a female under the age of 45 in an important role. This generated a great deal of response from the assembled females, the suggestion being that she was anti female, but the woman said something along the lines that she had a responsibility to her her family, employees, and suppliers, and running a business with low margins meant that she could not indulge those who might not pull their weight.
The person I am referring to now is retired now and has been for over a decade so I think he's safe! This is 100% true and straight from the horses mouth, so to speak, and the horse is quite close to me.Said person was a vet and did the same - young females were a problem - and for a small business a female vet who gets pregnant is an absolute disaster. He simply didn't employ them until they were out of the "window" of opportunity.
k!!He was only a small company looking to expand and she almost screwed it up for him and his other employees as he was running very fine to the wire in the expansion whilst buying lots of new equipment, etc and was not expecting to pay this on top after only a few months.
superlightr said:
so she called him "love " in her tweet.......... face palm.
you sexist pig! Don't you realise that when she does it it's either:1 - ironic
or
2 - 'reclaiming' a word (cf gay etc)
when he does it it's from the perspective of a cif-male, misogynist abuser who is using his white privilege to mentally rape her.
Du1point8 said:
I know a few business owners who do the same after one small business owner got stung, as the women applying for the job was already pregnant, but as he was not allowed to ask he didn't find out until after the hiring of her... turned his opinion over night and never again did he hire women of child baring age after going almost to the wall having to pay her maternity leave and hire someone else, did she come back afterwards... did she fk!!
He was only a small company looking to expand and she almost screwed it up for him and his other employees as he was running very fine to the wire in the expansion whilst buying lots of new equipment, etc and was not expecting to pay this on top after only a few months.
The reason I got to know about this was that my wife felt uncomfortable with the atmospher after the chat and came out to the hut. She said nothing (I videod the matches and the audio was always on) and then when we left she made a point of going over the to woman and had a few minutes chatting with her. In the car she told me of the conversation.k!!He was only a small company looking to expand and she almost screwed it up for him and his other employees as he was running very fine to the wire in the expansion whilst buying lots of new equipment, etc and was not expecting to pay this on top after only a few months.
Being police minded I mentioned it being against the law and then my wife told me that the woman had said during the latter chat that her business was highly competitive and that with the costs of training the staff, then the cost of having to replace them, again with untrained staff, meant that it cost the firm a considerable amount of profit.
Sensing a little criticism, my wife asked me: What would you do in her place?
Good question.
irocfan said:
superlightr said:
so she called him "love " in her tweet.......... face palm.
you sexist pig! Don't you realise that when she does it it's either:1 - ironic
or
2 - 'reclaiming' a word (cf gay etc)
when he does it it's from the perspective of a cif-male, misogynist abuser who is using his white privilege to mentally rape her.
At what point does feminism become mental illness?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3332169/...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3332169/...
ChemicalChaos said:
At what point does feminism become mental illness?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3332169/...
to be fair it's not feminism that's the issue here - more a case of being batshttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3332169/...
t crazyI once, rather absent-mindedly and unadvisedly, pointed out to a social worker that she was incorrect when she had complained about female being a modified form of male, and therefore to be abhorred.
All I did was say that the etymological derivation of man was homme and for female, femelle. The expected response of, 'Oh, yeah, that's right' was a bit wide of the mark. There were accusations of misogyny. I was then told it was a case of perception.
If someone with a self-imposed duty to rid the world of words she didn't like, didn't like a particular word, then it should go, it seems. Ignorance mattered more than fact.
All I did was say that the etymological derivation of man was homme and for female, femelle. The expected response of, 'Oh, yeah, that's right' was a bit wide of the mark. There were accusations of misogyny. I was then told it was a case of perception.
If someone with a self-imposed duty to rid the world of words she didn't like, didn't like a particular word, then it should go, it seems. Ignorance mattered more than fact.
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