Joyless feminism

[bitchstewie]

xjay1337 said:

Yes I agree to say nice tits is wrong.

To say "stunning pic" or "you look great", not so much.

Each to their own but personally I disagree, you just keep your fingers off the keyboard and show a little self-control.

[ianrb]

Rather than commenting on the woman herself would it not be better to say something like "Thanks for wearing that top, I really enjoyed looking at your bangers"? I mean, how could anyone take offence at that?

[Wobbegong]

When I played rugby the ladies would often shout "Phwoarrrrr look at the legs on him!" at some of the players. Should they have been offended and found a safe space?

[Mr Snrub]

Wobbegong said:

When I played rugby the ladies would often shout "Phwoarrrrr look at the legs on him!" at some of the players. Should they have been offended and found a safe space?

That would require some sort of "equality" between the sexes. What a daft notion

[Oakey]

Mr Snrub said:

Wobbegong said:

When I played rugby the ladies would often shout "Phwoarrrrr look at the legs on him!" at some of the players. Should they have been offended and found a safe space?

That would require some sort of "equality" between the sexes. What a daft notion

someone on here once posted, maybe in this thread even, a youtube vid of a guy with a dildo down his pants travelling the tube and secretly filming women's reactions. They were no better than guys!

[Halb]

rxtx said:

I'm not bothered either way, but I had no idea a photo I'd entered into a completely unrelated competition was going to be published there so I've no doubt she had no idea either, "news" is circulated.

I did a reverse image search on my photo and the same article was on websites all over the world and translated into Japanese, Chinese, Thai ...

She didn't.

[Mr Snrub]

Oakey said:

Mr Snrub said:

Wobbegong said:

When I played rugby the ladies would often shout "Phwoarrrrr look at the legs on him!" at some of the players. Should they have been offended and found a safe space?

That would require some sort of "equality" between the sexes. What a daft notion

someone on here once posted, maybe in this thread even, a youtube vid of a guy with a dildo down his pants travelling the tube and secretly filming women's reactions. They were no better than guys!

Or the domestic violence experiment if you want a really worrying, but completely ignored, example of double standards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzfLVyNHJgQ

[Einion Yrth]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

and some very good acting, both scenarios entirely believable.

[Wobbegong]

Mr Snrub said:

Oakey said:

Mr Snrub said:

Wobbegong said:

When I played rugby the ladies would often shout "Phwoarrrrr look at the legs on him!" at some of the players. Should they have been offended and found a safe space?

That would require some sort of "equality" between the sexes. What a daft notion

someone on here once posted, maybe in this thread even, a youtube vid of a guy with a dildo down his pants travelling the tube and secretly filming women's reactions. They were no better than guys!

Or the domestic violence experiment if you want a really worrying, but completely ignored, example of double standards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzfLVyNHJgQ

[irocfan]

Mr Snrub said:

Oakey said:

Mr Snrub said:

Wobbegong said:

When I played rugby the ladies would often shout "Phwoarrrrr look at the legs on him!" at some of the players. Should they have been offended and found a safe space?

That would require some sort of "equality" between the sexes. What a daft notion

someone on here once posted, maybe in this thread even, a youtube vid of a guy with a dildo down his pants travelling the tube and secretly filming women's reactions. They were no better than guys!

Or the domestic violence experiment if you want a really worrying, but completely ignored, example of double standards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzfLVyNHJgQ

wasn't there an episode of 'loose women' where Dennis Waterman was (rightly!) chastised for hitting Rula Lenska and one of the old trollops on there had the audience in stitches as she related how she beat up her husband?

[MTech535]

What is odd is that I have no doubt that the watchers would have applauded a physically violent reaction from the woman being abused, but would be horrified if the man reacted in the same way.

I think people react the way they do in the video because if the altercation escalated it really is down to the man choosing to be in control or not. Physically the man could dominate the woman if he wanted to. I am pretty certain that this is also the case in most real domestic abuse situations and the men being abused in most cases "could" protect themselves if they chose to, but are not prepared to do so for various different reasons.

[Mr Snrub]

MTech535 said:

What is odd is that I have no doubt that the watchers would have applauded a physically violent reaction from the woman being abused, but would be horrified if the man reacted in the same way.

I think people react the way they do in the video because if the altercation escalated it really is down to the man choosing to be in control or not. Physically the man could dominate the woman if he wanted to. I am pretty certain that this is also the case in most real domestic abuse situations and the men being abused in most cases "could" protect themselves if they chose to, but are not prepared to do so for various different reasons.

I'd say it's more down to the fact violence against men by women is seen as more socially acceptable. Just look at how often it's played for comic effect on films or tv. There's also the perceived shame, loss of masculinity and fear of not being believed that come from admitting you are being physically or emotionally abused. Not to mention the complete lack of resources dedicated to it - in the UK there are around 4000 refuge spaces for women and just 70 for men.

You would have thought feminists would be all over such an imbalance if they wanted true equality.

[steveatesh]

Mr Snrub said:

I'd say it's more down to the fact violence against men by women is seen as more socially acceptable. Just look at how often it's played for comic effect on films or tv. There's also the perceived shame, loss of masculinity and fear of not being believed that come from admitting you are being physically or emotionally abused. Not to mention the complete lack of resources dedicated to it - in the UK there are around 4000 refuge spaces for women and just 70 for men.

You would have thought feminists would be all over such an imbalance if they wanted true equality.

This.

double standards abound in our gynocentric society, from the sexist adverts on TV, through to the complete acceptability of female characters in soaps etc to assault male characters, to the disgraceful way male victims of DV are treat and the tolerance or even encouragement of female perpetrators.

If you want to see a good example of this involving the Labour shadow minister for women and equality, Sarah Champion (a DV perpetrator), then take a few minutes to read this:

https://hequal.wordpress.com/2016/09/26/domestic-v...

Warning though, if you care at all about men's rights then prepare for your piss to be boiled!

Edited to add feminism is not about equality. Feminism only concerns itself with women and girls issues and not only ignores men and boys issues but generally denies they even exist. The biggest problem facing men and boys today is that feminism has Been mainstreamed into government thinking, academia, the media and society at large making it very difficult men and boys to be heard at all (e.g. Recent news item about young women being depressed by the pressures of modern living, especially social media, but completely ignoring the suicide rates of men making it the biggest killer of men up the age of 45 and around 12 a day taking their own life).

Edited by steveatesh on Sunday 2nd October 08:33

[PurpleMoonlight]

Mr Snrub said:

I'd say it's more down to the fact violence against men by women is seen as more socially acceptable. Just look at how often it's played for comic effect on films or tv. There's also the perceived shame, loss of masculinity and fear of not being believed that come from admitting you are being physically or emotionally abused. Not to mention the complete lack of resources dedicated to it - in the UK there are around 4000 refuge spaces for women and just 70 for men.

You would have thought feminists would be all over such an imbalance if they wanted true equality.

I complained to the BBC once about a woman slapping a man in an episode of Death in Paradise, and that it would have been considered unacceptable if it were the other way around.

Needless to say they didn't agree with me and said they considered it was perfectly reasonable for the story line. The story line was that the guy had just admitted to an affair.

[Moonhawk]

steveatesh said:

(e.g. Recent news item about young women being depressed by the pressures of modern living, especially social media, but completely ignoring the suicide rates of men making it the biggest killer of men up the age of 45 and around 12 a day taking their own life).

I saw that piece on the BBC news. One of the things they cited in relation to young women getting depressed was the gender pay gap (i.e women earning less than men).

I found this statement odd, because recent data shows that young women are actually out earning young men by a reasonable margin.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/aug/29/wome...

Strangely - that wasnt mentioned

Edited by Moonhawk on Sunday 2nd October 08:52

[MiniMan64]

There are some infuriating inconsistencies in that story.

One piece of info missing though, it seems to be implied that her incident of DV was in response, in defence of continued abuse already received. If that's true then the situations are different, if not true then insane hypocrisy

[steveatesh]

PurpleMoonlight said:

I complained to the BBC once about a woman slapping a man in an episode of Death in Paradise, and that it would have been considered unacceptable if it were the other way around.

Needless to say they didn't agree with me and said they considered it was perfectly reasonable for the story line. The story line was that the guy had just admitted to an affair.

So for clarity the BBC response was that domestic violence is acceptable in some circumstances.

I wonder if they would find it as acceptable if it had been the woman admitting an affair and the man lashing out at her?

Edited by steveatesh on Sunday 2nd October 09:03

[steveatesh]

Moonhawk said:

I saw that piece on the BBC news. One of the things they cited in relation to young women getting depressed was the gender pay gap (i.e women earning less than men).

I found this statement odd, because recent data shows that young women are actually out earning young men by a reasonable margin.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/aug/29/wome...

Strangely - that wasnt mentioned

Edited by Moonhawk on Sunday 2nd October 08:52

I've emailed ITN news about their version of the story (rise in mental health issues in women) and asking when they intend to cover mental health rates and the link to male suicide, quoting the facts and the source (Nursing in Practice magazine) to give them a start.

I won't hold my breath, but will update here if I get a reply.

[anonymous-user]

Feminism can very much help men and boys:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/rossalynwarren/this-smart...

[Moonhawk]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

It is - but invariably when perpetrated against men, it's often done for laughs or portayed as justified given certain mitigating circumstances (e.g. in response to a man having an affair).

In essence - in fiction if a man hits a woman - he's being a bd. If a woman hits a man - it's because he's being a bd.