Joyless feminism
Discussion
HTP99 said:
I was being assessed at work this week, the assessor always referred to me directly as "my lovely", I quite liked it TBH as it made the whole thing a bit more human.
I still call Women 'love', some Women call me love, darling etc. In planet Realworld nobody actually cares. And I like it.iSore said:
I still call Women 'love', some Women call me love, darling etc. In planet Realworld nobody actually cares. And I like it.
Back in 2009 I got a job for a while in my local Job Centre. I was particularly worried that it'd be massively PC and full of feminists - I am most decidedly NOT pc.In actual fact it was one of the most normal "down to earth" places I've worked and full of banter etc. The only person who was ever a problem was the boss, an Asian woman who was utterly thick and stank. Luckily she rarely ventured away from her office. I accidentally sent her an email which was meant for my OH which said "Mrs DS, just going to lunch, I'll pick up some cat food x" (or similar) (the mistake was quite easy in Outlook for the address) and got dragged into an office and her demanding to know why I'd put a kiss on the end of an email to her. Despite it having Mrs DS at the top of it and containing blatantly domestic stuff etc etc. Duh. Duh. Hello. The song and dance she made about this "x" was unreal despite it being obvious to anyone who wasn't thick as f
k and stank that it was an email to Mrs DS.Did I say she was thick? And she stank?
Atmospheric said:
cookie118 said:
You mean to indoctrinate into the Feminist narrative?
Edited by Atmospheric on Friday 13th January 00:01
Randy Winkman said:
I like it. Do you not think it makes good points?
The original comic certainly doesn't! It's vile.
The follow up barely starts to repair on the damage caused, and fundamental flaws of the original.
It's all very well saying about EQUAL rights but at the International Mens Issues conference there were massive security concerns and death threats!
http://www.titleixforall.com/protesters-threaten-v...
And others...
http://www.titleixforall.com/the-university-of-tor...
I don't see males crowding outside Women's issues events shouting "SLAGS" and "BABYMAKERS" do you?
turbobloke said:
ChemicalChaos said:
"comedian"
I bet she's a real laugh a minute....
Totally hillaryus.I bet she's a real laugh a minute....
I will be giving her shows a miss I imagine, even if I do mostly agree that her arguments generally had merit.
I arrived at a hotel in Devon, and when checking in, was referred to as "me lover".
Classic Devon expression I know, but I never expected to be personally addressed as such by a complete stranger.
Randy Winkman said:
Atmospheric said:
cookie118 said:
You mean to indoctrinate into the Feminist narrative?
Edited by Atmospheric on Friday 13th January 00:01
The fundamental point is that feminism isn't about true equality, only equality from a feminist narrative.
There are many lies and half truths being spouted in social media.
It certainly seems feminism is only really for a certain type of woman.
Edited by Atmospheric on Monday 16th January 01:27
xjay1337 said:
Randy Winkman said:
I like it. Do you not think it makes good points?
The original comic certainly doesn't! It's vile.
The follow up barely starts to repair on the damage caused, and fundamental flaws of the original.
It's all very well saying about EQUAL rights but at the International Mens Issues conference there were massive security concerns and death threats!
http://www.titleixforall.com/protesters-threaten-v...
And others...
http://www.titleixforall.com/the-university-of-tor...
I don't see males crowding outside Women's issues events shouting "SLAGS" and "BABYMAKERS" do you?
I watched the entire Farrell presentation as I'd not come across him before.
How any reasonable person could describe him as a promoter of 'rape culture' (which while I believe there could easily be small groups of men holding such beliefs, is otherwise a third wave feminist myth with no honest statistics to back it up), is beyond comprehension.
It is quite clear that many of the protesters (as in so many activist causes) have only read the group (feminist) literature, and not his actual works. Their real objection is the possibility of a tiny fraction of the focus being directed away from the 'downtrodden woman' and the necessary destruction of the patriarchy, towards other groups or issues.
Much as one might expect of two competing groups of scientists scrambling for the same pot of government grant money.
Liberal feminism became a business, and an area of academic study, many years ago.
In order to justify its continuance, and by association the continuance of funding, for the 'professionals' it produced, it has had to modify its goals and agenda, and broaden its search for identifiable injustices to then direct the focus on.
Ironically in its very struggle for survival, and the continuous development of even more radical policies and demands, it has engendered its own opposition in the form of the Alt-Right, and (in the link) the considerably more moderate Canadian Association for Equality.
corrected obvious misuse of the "it's" contraction
Edited by Goaty Bill 2 on Monday 16th January 13:13
Goaty Bill 2 said:
Interesting links, especially the second.
I watched the entire Farrell presentation as I'd not come across him before.
How any reasonable person could describe him as a promoter of 'rape culture' (which while I believe there could easily be small groups of men holding such beliefs, is otherwise a third wave feminist myth with no honest statistics to back it up), is beyond comprehension.
All men are rapists apparently, certainly that's what they want us to believe. I watched the entire Farrell presentation as I'd not come across him before.
How any reasonable person could describe him as a promoter of 'rape culture' (which while I believe there could easily be small groups of men holding such beliefs, is otherwise a third wave feminist myth with no honest statistics to back it up), is beyond comprehension.
Luckily the proper nut-jobs are few and far between but plenty sign up to the brief without reading the detail, as you say.
I'm sure you'll be pleased to know that female suicide rates are increasing while rates for males are falling.
http://www.samaritans.org/about-us/our-research/fa...
http://www.samaritans.org/about-us/our-research/fa...
cookie118 said:
Really quite good.cookie118 said:
The first cartoon is very much written from an anti-male perspective though.The first caption - the female would very much think the guy was a desperate loser - just like the guy thinks in the second one. Why is the caption therefore different?
The caption "He kicked me in the groin"....."Why weren't you wearing a cup" should much more accurately read "She kicked me in the groin"........"why what did you do to her you b
d - you probably deserved it" (as demonstrated in this video)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRCS6GGhIRc
The "when it's usually like this" cartoon......is it really? Are men that aggressive when coming on to women in the majority of cases (i.e. for it to be 'usually' like that)?
For the 'because we think they're decoration' cartoon - it's far more likely that it's the guy being exploited. lied to or taken advantage of in this case. The only time this happens in reality is if the guy is rich and/or famous - and the two women in those instances are likely to be gold digging. If they act as decoration - it's because they choose to for the purposes of material gain. Where is the sexism against women here?
The "we blame women for sexual harassment" one - yes that does happen. But it also happens in reverse.....how many guys have had their bottoms pinched, been kissed or had lewd comments made by woman or group of women (especially when drunk, on hen parties etc)? In these cases it is just seen as 'banter' and a guy protesting against such 'banter' would be seen as a sissy.
"When females are taught to control their sexual urges until marriage" one should more accurately read "When females are taught to control their sexual urges so that they can use sex as currency and as a way of manipulating men into doing what they want" (see first two articles below). Also - given that an entire sex toy industry has grown up specifically to cater for women's sexual urges, i'd say womens 'sexual urges" are well catered for and open. Again - where is the sexism here? Men using sex toys however is still very much viewed as sad even amongst women who have their own i.e. "What are you using those for, cant get a girl? You loser" (see third article)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-38649235
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/franchesca-warren/sex...
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/s...
Halb said:
cookie118 said:
Really quite good.Moonhawk said:
The first cartoon is very much written from an anti-male perspective though.
I fully agree. I had written a very very long post for every single comic explaining why it was BS but thought better of it in the end.It's sexist towards men , the first one, written by proper feminazis.
xjay1337 said:
Moonhawk said:
The first cartoon is very much written from an anti-male perspective though.
I fully agree. I had written a very very long post for every single comic explaining why it was BS but thought better of it in the end.It's sexist towards men , the first one, written by proper feminazis.
Randy Winkman said:
I agree. I see some truth behind very one of them.
To what extent do you see some truth behind very (sic) one of them though?Do you think they are more common than not, and if so how much more common?
Or do you think they reflect some bodies opinions based on their own contact with the world?
Or do they reflect your approach to women and that of your peer group?
I'm curious to understand just how you have managed to learn that there is some truth in them.
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