Joyless feminism

[TwigtheWonderkid]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Wow!!!

I've got my photo on LinkedIn. I just thought it was a nice thing to do, so people who deal with me but who haven't met
me can put a face to the name. I must be crazy not to have realised that subconsciously I was doing it because I think I'm a ringer for Brad Pitt.

[RobinBanks]

Yeah, I can't see it as a pretty face.

I suppose we're objectifying her, will this page end up on Twitter?

[supertouring]

>Mrs Carter-Silk said she was unaware of the incident and declined to comment further.

He is in for some st when he gets home!

[anonymous-user]

steveatesh said:

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Sexual abuse
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For example feminism claims not to be about women and advantage but about equality. I look forward to the day they campaign for equality between the sexes in all of the areas above.

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 9th September 19:20

There's so much to take issue with in your post but the above-are you fking kidding me??

Yes there are problems with sexual abuse of men not being taken seriously-but really??

Take these stats:
1 in 7 female university students are seriously sexually assaulted at university
2 in 3 will suffer some form of sexual harrassment

http://www.nus.org.uk/Global/NUS_hidden_marks_repo...

Still sticking by the above??

Edit: on the original issue: I have a pic on my Linkedin, it's so people can see what I look like. I don't expect people to comment on my appearance in it.

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 9th September 21:04

[steveatesh]

cookie118 said:

There's so much to take issue with in your post but the above-are you fking kidding me??

Yes there are problems with sexual abuse of men not being taken seriously-but really??

Take these stats:
1 in 7 female university students are seriously sexually assaulted at university
2 in 3 will suffer some form of sexual harrassment

http://www.nus.org.uk/Global/NUS_hidden_marks_repo...

Still sticking by the above??

Yup, no problem with sticking with the above. The facts you quote are reprehensible and of course are all against the law already - in other words the system recognises that such acts are terribly wrong and caters for it. The offenders should be dealt with harshly. As I said, men are victims of violence too, in far greater numbers. But nothing about what you said negates the fact that men are affected by systemic sexism, and my post was in response to a claim that men are not affected by sexism.

Feminism claims not to be about women but about equality. In that case it needs to recognise the blatant systemic sexism against men in our society too and start to campaign against it along with the female issues. I won't hold my breath.

By the way your emotional response made my day.

[Gareth1974]

Maybe he just caught her on a bad day? Perhaps she was on the blob?

[272BHP]

I can't see this ending well for her.

She just got herself a reputation - very unprofessional.

[Mr GrimNasty]

I wonder if a female colleague had commented on it being a nice picture, if she would have written a 3 page rebuke on aggressive lesbianism or that fellow sisters should know better than to diminish professional standing by referring to looks?

It's like the female Labour leader candidate - who looks skeletal - complaining that the press would never comment about a male politician's weight - but they do, Brown, Cameron, Osbourne - frequently.

[johnfm]

HewManHeMan said:

Gargamel said:

HewManHeMan said:

She's right.

The symptoms of our misogynistic society may be subtle, but they are there and this is one of them. LinkedIn isn't a dating site, or even social media. She's there as a professional and trying to convey the image of such.

If you signed up to LinkedIn, and received a message from a woman saying you 'looked stunning' you'd dismiss her as being less than professional.

Forrest for the trees.

I might well dismiss it as less than professional, or desperate or tedious. But what I wouldn't do is tweet it, with accompanying aggressive comments and invite ridicule upon someone who at best is being a little presumptious or at worst is guilty of some old fashion sexism.

Can be confusing, since lets face it there are plenty of photo's on LI that are obviously provocative, not professional.

Militant feminism is often just as damaging as male misogyny, but you can't let that stand in the way of the fact that HE was in the wrong. Yeah she's probably a bit nuts to take it to the extreme, but women face this every day. Could be the straw that broke the camels back. Just as black people face subtler forms of racism every day, gay people suffer subtle forms of homophobia every day... It's the little things that add up to reinforce the fact that White Male's hold dominance (and very often prejudice) over absolutely everyone.

There can be sexism towards men, but it's not like we face it every day and our gender suffers because of it. We're literally in charge of absolutely everything. And it stems from the fact that subtle forms of oppression, like this, keep women (and everybody else) down.

White Male Privilege, fellas. I know I'm guilty of it, as it's likely baked into my thinking nowadays, but that doesn't mean we can't at least attempt to identify it - to ourselves - and work against it.

It was neither sexist nor misogynistic.

It was merely unprofessional.

Frankly, your notion that complimenting someone is a form of oppression is laughable.

Her attitude, and yours, makes it difficult for you both to be taken seriously.

[hornetrider]

Lol.

Wail said:

A partner in one of the UK’s largest criminal law firms suggested Miss Proudman would be ‘blacklisted’ by solicitors.

Franklin Sinclair, of Tuckers Solicitors, wrote on Twitter: ‘What an awful thing to do, what kind of world do we live in when a man can’t give a lady a compliment.getalife. Nomorebriefs4u. (sic)’

When she responded saying she would not want to work for ‘sexist solicitors’, he replied: ‘I should think you’ve blacklisted yourself from more than just sexist ones!’

Oh dear.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3228221/Me...

[anonymous-user]

She's a bit tubby in that Mail photo.

(Just keeping up the image of online men as being nasty nasty creatures)

[hornetrider]

Decent article which hits the spot actually.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3228538/...

Edited by Justayellowbadge on Thursday 10th September 10:51

[Buzz word]

cookie118 said:

steveatesh said:

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Sexual abuse
.....
For example feminism claims not to be about women and advantage but about equality. I look forward to the day they campaign for equality between the sexes in all of the areas above.

Edited by steveatesh on Wednesday 9th September 19:20

There's so much to take issue with in your post but the above-are you fking kidding me??

Yes there are problems with sexual abuse of men not being taken seriously-but really??

Take these stats:
1 in 7 female university students are seriously sexually assaulted at university
2 in 3 will suffer some form of sexual harrassment

http://www.nus.org.uk/Global/NUS_hidden_marks_repo...

Still sticking by the above??

Edit: on the original issue: I have a pic on my Linkedin, it's so people can see what I look like. I don't expect people to comment on my appearance in it.

Edited by cookie118 on Wednesday 9th September 21:04

This, cookie, is why a lot of people take um-bridge with feminism. Issues of gender are not a competition. It's not about who gets it worse and in what areas. No one should sexually assault anyone at all.

[Soov535]

hornetrider said:

Lol.

Wail said:

A partner in one of the UK’s largest criminal law firms suggested Miss Proudman would be ‘blacklisted’ by solicitors.

Franklin Sinclair, of Tuckers Solicitors, wrote on Twitter: ‘What an awful thing to do, what kind of world do we live in when a man can’t give a lady a compliment.getalife. Nomorebriefs4u. (sic)’

When she responded saying she would not want to work for ‘sexist solicitors’, he replied: ‘I should think you’ve blacklisted yourself from more than just sexist ones!’

Oh dear.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3228221/Me...

She's royally fked her career with this one.

Idiot.

[hornetrider]

Soov535 said:

She's royally fked her career with this one.

Idiot.

Depends which career I guess

She'll be the next Guardianista columnist. Owen Jones with t*ts.

[Moonhawk]

hornetrider said:

Decent article which hits the spot actually.

I agree - except for this bit:

"A simple, straightforward compliment: you look nice in your picture."

His compliment didn't even go to that level - he commented it was a 'stunning picture' - not that she 'looked stunning in the picture'.

I think she has spectacularly misjudged this - especially given the fact that it was she who approached him on linkedin.

When I first read the story - I read it that his message to her had been unsolicited (hence her anger), but as it turns out - she requested the connection and his message seems to have been his way of trying to break the ice.

[Moonhawk]

hornetrider said:

Depends which career I guess

She'll be the next Guardianista columnist. Owen Jones with t*ts.

Who is betting she is a guest on Loose Women in the very near future.

[ewenm]

Moonhawk said:

hornetrider said:

Decent article which hits the spot actually.

I agree - except for this bit:

"A simple, straightforward compliment: you look nice in your picture."

His compliment didn't even go to that level - he commented it was a 'stunning picture' - not that she 'looked stunning in the picture'.

I think she has spectacularly misjudged this - especially given the fact that it was she who approached him on linkedin.

When I first read the story - I read it that his message to her had been unsolicited (hence her anger), but as it turns out - she requested the connection and his message seems to have been his way of trying to break the ice.

I wonder if he had said "Stunning picture, who was the photographer?" she'd have still been upset?

Poor judgement all round though - he failed to remember that everything posted online is effectively public (or can be made so) and may well be taken in the worst possible way regardless of whether that was the intention; she has over-reacted so much that plenty of potential employers will avoid her due to the risk of similar reactions in their workplace.

Sexism (and lots of other "ism"s) exists and needs to be seen to be unacceptable, but I don't think this is the best way to go about it.

[kev1974]

He's come out of this a lot better than she has. All very silly, she should know when to let things simply wash over.

Have seen it suggested that he might take her for some sort of defamation or slander (well they're all legal people after all) but he doesn't need to, she has damaged herself and her career far more on her own.

Lots of rabidly feminist loons that also don't know when to leave something well alone busy coming out and tweeting their support to her account, a nice list of short tempered people to steer well clear of busy documenting itself on her twitter right now

[AngryPartsBloke]

As always Sexism is strong on Pistonheads. Never failes to amaze the amount of guys who think Women should be in someway thanksful for your letching and unwanted attention.

Would he have sent that same compliment to a Male? Of course not, it's sexism. He didn't compliment her on how professional it looked, he didn't even mention it until he was called out on it. Regardless of how he thought he meant it, it was unwanted and it was sexist.