Joyless feminism

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Du1point8

21,612 posts

193 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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so she is a legal expert... aka legal assistant... then she is complemented and called tidy which is a normal phrase in most of the country.

She then went full-on nuclear for the sake of being complemented... this is why its not safe for men to complement anyone or open doors for women as they think the person is a sexist creep.

JagLover

42,498 posts

236 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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andy_s said:
Bantz init lol. rolleyes It's just fking rude mate, there's plenty of examples of over-the-top joyless intersex feminazi nonsense without tortuously justifying inappropriate boorish behavior.

'soz wrong seat', yeah right...
If he had physically harassed her, used lewd language, or kept asking after being told no I can understand such a reaction.

But are we really at the stage where you cannot even pursue the opposite sex now?.

amusingduck

9,398 posts

137 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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JagLover said:
If he had physically harassed her, used lewd language, or kept asking after being told no I can understand such a reaction.

But are we really at the stage where you cannot even pursue the opposite sex now?.
I wouldn't call that pursuit. If he'd grown a spine and tried to speak to her, I doubt we'd be talking about it.

I don't think it's remotely acceptable to send messages like that to a stranger you're sharing a plane with. I don't see how it's newsworthy either, though more and more of life's trivial events seem to make their way to the front page nowadays.

g3org3y

20,653 posts

192 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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andy_s said:
Bantz init lol. rolleyes It's just fking rude mate, there's plenty of examples of over-the-top joyless intersex feminazi nonsense without tortuously justifying inappropriate boorish behavior.

'soz wrong seat', yeah right...
This.

amusingduck said:
JagLover said:
If he had physically harassed her, used lewd language, or kept asking after being told no I can understand such a reaction.

But are we really at the stage where you cannot even pursue the opposite sex now?.
I wouldn't call that pursuit. If he'd grown a spine and tried to speak to her, I doubt we'd be talking about it.

I don't think it's remotely acceptable to send messages like that to a stranger you're sharing a plane with. I don't see how it's newsworthy either, though more and more of life's trivial events seem to make their way to the front page nowadays.
And this.

768

13,729 posts

97 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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It's a bit weird that she'd expect Virgin to build her a report button to protect her from this, after it's happened. I wonder what she'd have done if they said it while they walked past in the aisle. Or while walking to the airport.

JagLover

42,498 posts

236 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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amusingduck said:
JagLover said:
If he had physically harassed her, used lewd language, or kept asking after being told no I can understand such a reaction.

But are we really at the stage where you cannot even pursue the opposite sex now?.
I wouldn't call that pursuit. If he'd grown a spine and tried to speak to her, I doubt we'd be talking about it.

I don't think it's remotely acceptable to send messages like that to a stranger you're sharing a plane with. I don't see how it's newsworthy either, though more and more of life's trivial events seem to make their way to the front page nowadays.
As I said before harassment is not acceptable. We are in danger however with conflating "harassment" with "making contact with opposite sex to see if available". It has been a long time since I was on the dating scene and if I still was I wouldn't be sending messages on a plane, but it is worth reiterating that the language was not lewd just complimentary. I don't know the exact setup of the messaging system but maybe he hoped to get some flirty chat going and then go over to talk to her face to face.

How many loving relationships have started over the years from guys just approaching girls in public places?, rather than in the more conventional dating scene.

WCZ

10,548 posts

195 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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Cold said:
I can see why she'd be pissed off about this.
this.

not joyless feminism really, more like annoying perverts on a plane

Harry H

3,408 posts

157 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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JagLover said:
As I said before harassment is not acceptable. We are in danger however with conflating "harassment" with "making contact with opposite sex to see if available". It has been a long time since I was on the dating scene and if I still was I wouldn't be sending messages on a plane, but it is worth reiterating that the language was not lewd just complimentary. I don't know the exact setup of the messaging system but maybe he hoped to get some flirty chat going and then go over to talk to her face to face.

How many loving relationships have started over the years from guys just approaching girls in public places?, rather than in the more conventional dating scene.
I feel the same about all the fuss over the Boris "thigh squeeze"

You're having a boozy lunch with some lady. Plenty of eye contact and some flirting. To test the waters a chap gives a little squeeze under the table.

Girl say's "no" and life moves on. All is forgotten.

It can't of upset her that much or she wouldn't have kept quiet about it for 20 bloody years. But no, she waits until he's hit the pinnacle of a career to attempt to get him labeled as a sex pest.

I don't consider myself to have ever been a pest but many years ago when available I certainly did "try it on" on occasion. Got knows what'll come out when I'm one day elected to rule the world.

I've know idea how a young chap gets a shag these days. But then I've never been good at reading female "messages" according to the wife.


irocfan

40,602 posts

191 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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Harry H said:
I've know idea how a young chap gets a shag these days. But then I've never been good at reading female "messages" according to the wife.
Makes 2 of us (at least!!), she'd need to be practically sitting on my face for me to start thinking "...hmmm, maybe she's interested..."

andy_s

19,412 posts

260 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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JagLover said:
We are in danger however with conflating "harassment" with "making contact with opposite sex to see if available".
We're really not. I wouldn't count what had happened as 'harassment' but neither would it appear to be an attempt at genuine contact. It was just uninvited, boorish, virtual wolf-whistling.


Supercilious Sid

2,583 posts

162 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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JagLover said:
As I said before harassment is not acceptable. We are in danger however with conflating "harassment" with "making contact with opposite sex to see if available". It has been a long time since I was on the dating scene and if I still was I wouldn't be sending messages on a plane, but it is worth reiterating that the language was not lewd just complimentary. I don't know the exact setup of the messaging system but maybe he hoped to get some flirty chat going and then go over to talk to her face to face.

How many loving relationships have started over the years from guys just approaching girls in public places?, rather than in the more conventional dating scene.
This!
I really dont care if a few sensitive lads on a car forum think that men should be scared of approaching women in case the woman takes offence.

andy_s

19,412 posts

260 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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Supercilious Sid said:
This!
I really dont care if a few sensitive lads on a car forum think that men should be scared of approaching women in case the woman takes offence.
They don't though, don't panic.

chow pan toon

12,394 posts

238 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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Harry H said:
I've know idea how a young chap gets a shag these days. But then I've never been good at reading female "messages" according to the wife.
Well I managed by not saying stuff like "hurr, ur really fit babez" or calling myself "big dick swinger" on a plane

kev1974

4,029 posts

130 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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JuniorD said:
Tea lady with a degree from Cambridge, that would be likely rolleyes

I can see how she would probably rather not have some creep send her unsolicited messages for all to see, and then spend the rest of a flight wondering who the fk this dingus was and why he picked her out.

Would you be the kind of guy who would do this, and if not, why not?
The harassment from seat 61D, while unacceptable, isn't the point; the point is her ludicrous reaction of (1) reverting instantly to "I work for a legal firm" rather than a simple "no thanks" or similar (2) posting it on twitter for all to see rather than a more discrete complaints channel to Virgin (3) using the #metoo hashtag (4) suggesting Virgin add a reporting button rather than just, y'know, closing the chat app. As others have said what would she have done if seat 61D guy had said the same to her in person.

Cold

15,258 posts

91 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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kev1974 said:
The harassment from seat 61D, while unacceptable, isn't the point; the point is her ludicrous reaction of (1) reverting instantly to "I work for a legal firm" rather than a simple "no thanks" or similar (2) posting it on twitter for all to see rather than a more discrete complaints channel to Virgin (3) using the #metoo hashtag (4) suggesting Virgin add a reporting button rather than just, y'know, closing the chat app. As others have said what would she have done if seat 61D guy had said the same to her in person.
If you don't want to get called out for acting like a drunken dick, don't act like a drunken dick - especially when you're drunk and a dick.

Passenger Jessica Van Meir said:
"After the flight attendants spoke with the guys, I walked through the aisle and took a picture of them. Afterwards, a young guy came up to me and said he heard about the chat between me and the guys and wanted to apologise on their behalf.

"They were on a rugby trip and he was one of the leaders. He said the guys had been drinking and he'd talk to them, was sorry and hoped we could leave it at that.

"What matters to me is not going after these guys, but making sure they understand why it was harmful."

amusingduck

9,398 posts

137 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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chow pan toon said:
Harry H said:
I've know idea how a young chap gets a shag these days. But then I've never been good at reading female "messages" according to the wife.
Well I managed by not saying stuff like "hurr, ur really fit babez" or calling myself "big dick swinger" on a plane
What's the appropriate setting? biggrin

markiii

3,636 posts

195 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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amusingduck said:
chow pan toon said:
Harry H said:
I've know idea how a young chap gets a shag these days. But then I've never been good at reading female "messages" according to the wife.
Well I managed by not saying stuff like "hurr, ur really fit babez" or calling myself "big dick swinger" on a plane
What's the appropriate setting? biggrin
mumsnet

chow pan toon

12,394 posts

238 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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amusingduck said:
chow pan toon said:
Harry H said:
I've know idea how a young chap gets a shag these days. But then I've never been good at reading female "messages" according to the wife.
Well I managed by not saying stuff like "hurr, ur really fit babez" or calling myself "big dick swinger" on a plane
What's the appropriate setting? biggrin
Church hehe

R Mutt

5,893 posts

73 months

Wednesday 9th October 2019
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She obviously didn't fancy them

Mothersruin

8,573 posts

100 months

Wednesday 9th October 2019
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R Mutt said:
She obviously didn't fancy them
Probs a lesbo...