Half a million VWs recalled, sneaky emissions software.
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Axionknight said:
scenario8 said:
0-60 in 10 seconds and a 120mph top speed (even if measured optimistically) remain more than adequate and irrelevant respectively for 95% or more of drivers for 95% or more of their journeys, though.
Absolutely, not everyone is on a quest for more speed and more power - it's plenty for most.powerstroke said:
Axionknight said:
scenario8 said:
0-60 in 10 seconds and a 120mph top speed (even if measured optimistically) remain more than adequate and irrelevant respectively for 95% or more of drivers for 95% or more of their journeys, though.
Absolutely, not everyone is on a quest for more speed and more power - it's plenty for most.We're probably all in the "other 5%" but for almost all owners/drivers the performance is more than adequate.
My four most recent company cars were BMW 320i (6 pot), MINI Cooper, MINI Cooper S and then the 1.6 diesel Golf. I wasn't looking forward to the Golf but truth is only the Cooper S is "faster" than the diesel across the sort of driving I get up to.
I'm sure I'd be happier in a GTi but then it'd be far costlier and genuinely I doubt it would make any measurable difference to my journey times.
For actually slow please see the 1.6 petrol Astras they give me when the diesel's in for servicing. How they get away with those I've no idea. And that's a genuine competitor for the lowly diesel Golf. Seriously, who signs them off?
Back to mumsnet to show off my last tankful got me over 700 miles while more than keeping up with the flow...
fblm said:
The difference between 20mpg and 40mpg is about 6p a mile. 6p. To not have a little piece of you die every time you open the garage door or look out on the drive and see a miserable, dull, penny pinching diesel that's depreciating at a quid a mile or 25% overnight if its a VW 
Thanks for that, that's £9k in my pocket then. Of course though, sadly my life has had a void in that could have been filled with a 1.6 litre petrol VW Bora. :-)scenario8 said:
0-60 in 10 seconds and a 120mph top speed (even if measured optimistically) remain more than adequate and irrelevant respectively for 95% or more of drivers for 95% or more of their journeys, though.
My leccy Zoe is only 88bhp (equivilant) is limited to 84mph ish and I have no trouble keeping up with traffic. I must just be a good driver! 
fblm said:
The difference between 20mpg and 40mpg is about 6p a mile. 6p. To not have a little piece of you die every time you open the garage door or look out on the drive and see a miserable, dull, penny pinching diesel that's depreciating at a quid a mile or 25% overnight if its a VW
The are some deluded people on here...If any of your biased little opinions came true.. I expect VW would compensate for any losses. So the owners would be saving that 6p a mile. A few hundred in rfl. Cash in pocket. and believe it or not, lots actually prefer the way diesels drive!
I guess the depreciate by £1 a mile proves its a joke post though so apologies for biting
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 11th October 09:09
Jimboka said:
The are some deluded people on here...
If any of your biased little opinions came true.. I expect VW would compensate for any losses. So the owners would be saving that 6p a mile. A few hundred in rfl. Cash in pocket. and believe it or not, lots actually prefer the way diesels drive!
DVLA have already said they are not going to re-classify current cars CO2 figures - so no change in RFL for existing cars.If any of your biased little opinions came true.. I expect VW would compensate for any losses. So the owners would be saving that 6p a mile. A few hundred in rfl. Cash in pocket. and believe it or not, lots actually prefer the way diesels drive!
Scuffers said:
Jimboka said:
The are some deluded people on here...
If any of your biased little opinions came true.. I expect VW would compensate for any losses. So the owners would be saving that 6p a mile. A few hundred in rfl. Cash in pocket. and believe it or not, lots actually prefer the way diesels drive!
DVLA have already said they are not going to re-classify current cars CO2 figures - so no change in RFL for existing cars.If any of your biased little opinions came true.. I expect VW would compensate for any losses. So the owners would be saving that 6p a mile. A few hundred in rfl. Cash in pocket. and believe it or not, lots actually prefer the way diesels drive!
Jimboka said:
Scuffers said:
Jimboka said:
The are some deluded people on here...
If any of your biased little opinions came true.. I expect VW would compensate for any losses. So the owners would be saving that 6p a mile. A few hundred in rfl. Cash in pocket. and believe it or not, lots actually prefer the way diesels drive!
DVLA have already said they are not going to re-classify current cars CO2 figures - so no change in RFL for existing cars.If any of your biased little opinions came true.. I expect VW would compensate for any losses. So the owners would be saving that 6p a mile. A few hundred in rfl. Cash in pocket. and believe it or not, lots actually prefer the way diesels drive!
What I do take issue with is you - you think that because you get good miles per gallon, that is the be all and end all, and you think that people like me, who do not own, or ever wish to own a diesel are somehow 'jealous' of your MPG, as if I (and many others) couldn't walk into any dealer and buy one if I so wished!
You're just crazy!
chris watton said:
Jimboka said:
Scuffers said:
Jimboka said:
The are some deluded people on here...
If any of your biased little opinions came true.. I expect VW would compensate for any losses. So the owners would be saving that 6p a mile. A few hundred in rfl. Cash in pocket. and believe it or not, lots actually prefer the way diesels drive!
DVLA have already said they are not going to re-classify current cars CO2 figures - so no change in RFL for existing cars.If any of your biased little opinions came true.. I expect VW would compensate for any losses. So the owners would be saving that 6p a mile. A few hundred in rfl. Cash in pocket. and believe it or not, lots actually prefer the way diesels drive!
What I do take issue with is you - you think that because you get good miles per gallon, that is the be all and end all, and you think that people like me, who do not own, or ever wish to own a diesel are somehow 'jealous' of your MPG, as if I (and many others) couldn't walk into any dealer and buy one if I so wished!
You're just crazy!
MarshPhantom said:
My O/H's MR2 gets 40mpg, pretty sure that's not diesel. Certainly doesn't sound or smell like one, and the birds don't fall from the trees due to the noxious fumes as she drives by.
My mpg is infinite at the moment, as I don't currently have a car.Apparently I can generate some pretty noxious fumes but I just blame some software engineers.
I have a 1.6 diesel Skoda Superb. I popped the VIN into the Skoda car checker and it said that my car was one of the ones affected by this 'scandal' so might be up for a recall.
I am absolutely livid about this situation. Actually that is a lie. I don't really care
I am interested in seeing what recall, if any, might be for. New software or an SCR fitment?
Mine is a company car that is due to be changed in 14 months, so whatever happens I won't have to live with it for long and I doubt that it will cost me any money (i.e. higher tax or adblue costs or whatever). But if there is a serious impact on performance or economy I won't be very pleased. It is slow enough as it is and the economy, whilst OK, is not great. I can get into the 60mpg bracket, but I pretty much have to draft lorries to do it. On the town commute to the office I get about 30mpg. I used to get similar from my petrol Honda Civic.
I do apperciate the ease of diesel power, but it is not for me personally. I like revvy NA petrol engines. Something which I fear will soon be a thing of the past for the average motorist.
When my car goes back I am going to be getting a car allowance instead, so already eyeing up something like a 325 coupe. Quite excited. I hope that a mass migration away from second hand diesels doesn't increase large capacity petrol car's value (if it happens!).
I am absolutely livid about this situation. Actually that is a lie. I don't really care
I am interested in seeing what recall, if any, might be for. New software or an SCR fitment?
Mine is a company car that is due to be changed in 14 months, so whatever happens I won't have to live with it for long and I doubt that it will cost me any money (i.e. higher tax or adblue costs or whatever). But if there is a serious impact on performance or economy I won't be very pleased. It is slow enough as it is and the economy, whilst OK, is not great. I can get into the 60mpg bracket, but I pretty much have to draft lorries to do it. On the town commute to the office I get about 30mpg. I used to get similar from my petrol Honda Civic.
I do apperciate the ease of diesel power, but it is not for me personally. I like revvy NA petrol engines. Something which I fear will soon be a thing of the past for the average motorist.
When my car goes back I am going to be getting a car allowance instead, so already eyeing up something like a 325 coupe. Quite excited. I hope that a mass migration away from second hand diesels doesn't increase large capacity petrol car's value (if it happens!).
scenario8 said:
powerstroke said:
Axionknight said:
scenario8 said:
0-60 in 10 seconds and a 120mph top speed (even if measured optimistically) remain more than adequate and irrelevant respectively for 95% or more of drivers for 95% or more of their journeys, though.
Absolutely, not everyone is on a quest for more speed and more power - it's plenty for most.We're probably all in the "other 5%" but for almost all owners/drivers the performance is more than adequate.
My four most recent company cars were BMW 320i (6 pot), MINI Cooper, MINI Cooper S and then the 1.6 diesel Golf. I wasn't looking forward to the Golf but truth is only the Cooper S is "faster" than the diesel across the sort of driving I get up to.
I'm sure I'd be happier in a GTi but then it'd be far costlier and genuinely I doubt it would make any measurable difference to my journey times.
For actually slow please see the 1.6 petrol Astras they give me when the diesel's in for servicing. How they get away with those I've no idea. And that's a genuine competitor for the lowly diesel Golf. Seriously, who signs them off?
Back to mumsnet to show off my last tankful got me over 700 miles while more than keeping up with the flow...
.My 4-speed Metro 1.1 surprises quite a few drivers as well
- driven with judicious use of the gears, that is 
. As with the Pugs, it has a "neutral" image to our aggressive colleagues on the road, and slack is cut when (for example) two lanes evaporate into one (or in cases like going up hill on the Windy Hill on the M62 justifiably in lane 4), in a way that is not shown to the Jazz in the same way... Imagine piloting a trolley round the supermarket like this
- madness 
!! We get there just the same - my '80s tin (well, 'early '90s for the Metro) goes plenty well enough for modern traffic - as does the Jazz. Or perhaps I'm just so laid back as to be near horizontal?
ps the 309 (1600 with single weber) hovers around 31mpg and the 205 (1360cc with twin solex) around 47; the Metro gave 44.2mpg on its last (first with me) fill up (using a KIF carb with open loop catalyst + carbon canister) and the Jazz (fuel injection & cat) consistently hovers around 49mpg. Diesels? Pah! (Unfortunate comment, that last one, to those of us in the know
.)Really quite amusing to read these latest comments, particularly in light of a discussion on the merits of EVs over in GG. Over there people got all precious when their hyperbole regarding anything slower than 10seconds to 60 being glacially slow and a hindrance to making normal progress. Anyone who questioned this alleged truism was just accused of being prepared to argue with a brick wall for fun.
Funny old PH world. Sorry for off topic.
I had a 1.6 Superb Estate for a bit, and whilst it rowed along sort of Ok one or two up, fully laden was a bit of a struggle going up a couple of known hills hereabouts. As it's one of the ones affected wonder what any changes would do to it, and economy. Can't be for the good that's for sure.
Funny old PH world. Sorry for off topic.
I had a 1.6 Superb Estate for a bit, and whilst it rowed along sort of Ok one or two up, fully laden was a bit of a struggle going up a couple of known hills hereabouts. As it's one of the ones affected wonder what any changes would do to it, and economy. Can't be for the good that's for sure.
FiF said:
Really quite amusing to read these latest comments, particularly in light of a discussion on the merits of EVs over in GG. Over there people got all precious when their hyperbole regarding anything slower than 10seconds to 60 being glacially slow and a hindrance to making normal progress. Anyone who questioned this alleged truism was just accused of being prepared to argue with a brick wall for fun.
Funny old PH world. Sorry for off topic.
I had a 1.6 Superb Estate for a bit, and whilst it rowed along sort of Ok one or two up, fully laden was a bit of a struggle going up a couple of known hills hereabouts. As it's one of the ones affected wonder what any changes would do to it, and economy. Can't be for the good that's for sure.
The last hgv I owned new I measured it's acceleration. It 0-50 in 30 seconds, and that just about kept up with the traffic. Funny old PH world. Sorry for off topic.
I had a 1.6 Superb Estate for a bit, and whilst it rowed along sort of Ok one or two up, fully laden was a bit of a struggle going up a couple of known hills hereabouts. As it's one of the ones affected wonder what any changes would do to it, and economy. Can't be for the good that's for sure.
heebeegeetee said:
The last hgv I owned new I measured it's acceleration. It 0-50 in 30 seconds, and that just about kept up with the traffic.
was that in the 1920's?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEyDkAH0GHo
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