Half a million VWs recalled, sneaky emissions software.

[heebeegeetee]

Kitchski said:

moanthebairns said:

ukaskew said:

My Citigo does 0-60 in 13.9 seconds, I still comfortably out-accelerate 98% of cars on my daily commute, even up the 15% gradient hill, and have never needed/wanted more power/speed on the commute.

Away and don't talk silly. Seriously, in 1964 it might have been quicker than 98% of the cars on the way to work. You've got a gay car that serves no purpose unless for the weekly shop. Don't come on here spouting performance figures like that as if its something to be proud of .

Wow.

Wow indeed.

Anyway, I measured a smart car earlier, 0-60 in just 17 seconds, and I tell yer, when you've got utter driving god skills of the order of magnitude like what I have, that's all you need to stay ahead of the pack.

I also noticed that in another car, my commute this morning was at an average of 15mph, so god knows what you need power for in the city.

Edited by Ollie_M on Thursday 15th October 09:38

Edited by Ollie_M on Thursday 15th October 09:39

[wc98]

Scuffers said:

and let's face it, this is the crux of the problem here, the EU mandated this test back in the 1980's, and even then we knew it has issues, but at the time it was better than the 'constant 56mph and 75, and then urban.

the big issue with the std drive cycle is that for the test, everything is turned off (AC/etc etc) and the acceleration rates are glacial, nothing like modern traffic.

if they just changed the drive cycle (to something more typical of today's driving) and the defaults for gear changes etc, the dyno test should become more realistic again.

I would suggest they could get the drive cycles from real world driving, say with 2 sets of figures, one for a town/city environment and one for more rural/open road, used a combination of both and publish figures for both separately as well as combined.

what pisses me off is there are never any figures for the thrashing the fk out of it cycle

[moanthebairns]

heebeegeetee said:

Kitchski said:

moanthebairns said:

ukaskew said:

My Citigo does 0-60 in 13.9 seconds, I still comfortably out-accelerate 98% of cars on my daily commute, even up the 15% gradient hill, and have never needed/wanted more power/speed on the commute.

Away and don't talk silly. Seriously, in 1964 it might have been quicker than 98% of the cars on the way to work. You've got a gay car that serves no purpose unless for the weekly shop. Don't come on here spouting performance figures like that as if its something to be proud of.

Wow.

Wow indeed.

Anyway, I measured a smart car earlier, 0-60 in just 17 seconds, and I tell yer, when you've got utter driving god skills of the order of magnitude like what I have, that's all you need to stay ahead of the pack.

I also noticed that in another car, my commute this morning was at an average of 15mph, so god knows what you need power for in the city.

The phones missed of the wee smiley face to make it sound less arrogant. But the point still stands a citigo is as slow as a week in the jail. To post such figures and claim it's faster than 98 percent of the other road users is complete nonsense. If someone came on saying they tracked their mx5 and we're faster than everyone on a track day you'd call it for whay it is. This is the gay equivalent

Edited by Ollie_M on Thursday 15th October 09:37

[Munter]

moanthebairns said:

The phones missed of the wee smiley face to make it sound less arrogant. But the point still stands a citigo is as slow as a week in the jail. To post such figures and claim it's faster than 98 percent of the other road users is complete nonsense. If someone came on saying they tracked their mx5 and we're faster than everyone on a track day you'd call it for whay it is. This is the gay equivalent

I regularly see people out accelerated by trucks. The point is not about the ultimate performance of a car. It's about most drivers for whom the first 1cm of throttle is all they use.

[Cobnapint]

wc98 said:

What pisses me off is there are never any figures for the thrashing the fk out of it cycle

[RYH64E]

heebeegeetee said:

Wow indeed.

Anyway, I measured a smart car earlier, 0-60 in just 17 seconds, and I tell yer, when you've got utter driving god skills of the order of magnitude like what I have, that's all you need to stay ahead of the pack.

I also noticed that in another car, my commute this morning was at an average of 15mph, so god knows what you need power for in the city.

That's fine if you only drive the car in the city, for those of us who sometimes drive in the city, sometimes drive on windy country B roads, and sometimes load the car up with luggage and family to drive across Europe (including the uphill bits), a bit more power and performance is required.

[stargazer30]

wc98 said:

what pisses me off is there are never any figures for the thrashing the fk out of it cycle

This is about sooters though? Why would you want to thrash one?

[anonymous-user]

moanthebairns said:

ukaskew said:

My Citigo does 0-60 in 13.9 seconds, I still comfortably out-accelerate 98% of cars on my daily commute, even up the 15% gradient hill, and have never needed/wanted more power/speed on the commute.

Away and don't talk silly. Seriously, in 1964 it might have been quicker than 98% of the cars on the way to work. You've got a gay car that serves no purpose unless for the weekly shop. Don't come on here spouting performance figures like that as if its something to be proud of.

Harsh but fair.

Edited by Ollie_M on Thursday 15th October 09:35

[gruffalo]

It seems like the demand for compensation is hotting up.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34529949

Could this be the end of VW.

[KTF]

gruffalo said:

It seems like the demand for compensation is hotting up.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34529949

Could this be the end of VW.

Compensation for what?

[jezzaaa]

gruffalo said:

It seems like the demand for compensation is hotting up.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34529949

Could this be the end of VW.

I thought that, in the UK at least, damages in a case like this (i.e. not slander/libel etc) have to be linked to a clear financial loss on the part of the injured party and be reasonable. I don't see any valid claim on fuel consumption, because the owners have presumably been happy with their 50mpg etc and haven't complained previously.

So as far as I can see, there are only two things that people can build a case on:

1. Company car owners: If the real CO2 output, on which the car is measured, changes and that puts the car into a worse company car tax bracket. A financial loss could be demonstrated if the government decides to re-test and re-assess the CO2 for those cars, meaning that going forward the company car tax percentage would increase for however many years the car is retained. I would be very surprised if the government retrospectively charged it to the start of the lease etc...but if they did, that would also be a valid claim.

2. Private owners who see a sharper depreciation than expected due to the scandal. But I would have thought it would be very difficult to demonstrate such a thing. Edited to say I guess the bigger problem with this for VW will be the fleet companies who will be able to demonstrate statistics for sale prices etc.

I guess the problem for VW is that they've admitted fault already...and will have to cover everyone's legal fees.

I also don't see the point of the recalls...it's not a safety issue, and the software only kicks in under test conditions. So what difference does it make to change it?

Edited by jezzaaa on Thursday 15th October 08:06

Edited by jezzaaa on Thursday 15th October 08:08

[hornetrider]

boxedin said:

"Volkswagen has revealed to authorities in the US that current 2016 diesel models are fitted with software that could help them produce lower emissions levels during official tests. The Volkswagen emissions scandal was previously thought to be limited to models built between 2009 and 2015 fitted with the EA 189 engine - but this news opens up the possibility that current VW Group models could also be involved."

^^
from autoexpress.

Yes, the lack of any apology on the letter simply solidifies my view on what sort of company VW are.

Just to flesh this one out.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/in...

So presumably this is for Euro6 cars as well!! fk me.

[Janluke]

gruffalo said:

It seems like the demand for compensation is hotting up.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34529949

Could this be the end of VW.

I'd be very surprised

At the end of the day VAG is too important to Germany and the EU.

The German government stepped in and bailed out Greece I can't see them letting VAG go to the wall

[gruffalo]

KTF said:

gruffalo said:

It seems like the demand for compensation is hotting up.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34529949

Could this be the end of VW.

Compensation for what?

It is hard to say at the moment because we don't know what the effect of the recall will have on the cars.

Will the fix hit performance, if so people can claim they no longer have the car they paid for, or will it hit fuel consumption, it will effect one or the other.

Will those that don't get the fix applied be able to sell their cars.

Lots. Of questions and not many answers coming from VW at the moment which makes me think the fix will have a significant impact on the car.

[Petrol Only]

hornetrider said:

boxedin said:

"Volkswagen has revealed to authorities in the US that current 2016 diesel models are fitted with software that could help them produce lower emissions levels during official tests. The Volkswagen emissions scandal was previously thought to be limited to models built between 2009 and 2015 fitted with the EA 189 engine - but this news opens up the possibility that current VW Group models could also be involved."

^^
from autoexpress.

Yes, the lack of any apology on the letter simply solidifies my view on what sort of company VW are.

Just to flesh this one out.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/in...

So presumably this is for Euro6 cars as well!! fk me.


It's interesting. As it stands my 2014 Octavia is not affected. if 2015+ cars have a similar defeat device. I might have one of very few "legit" Dirty dervs. I'll be charging a premium if I ever sell it

[Scuffers]

hornetrider said:

Just to flesh this one out.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/in...

So presumably this is for Euro6 cars as well!! fk me.

which means the head of VW UK was wrong when he said it did not affect EU6 models?

[Pesty]

boxedin said:

"Volkswagen has revealed to authorities in the US that current 2016 diesel models are fitted with software that could help them produce lower emissions levels during official tests. The Volkswagen emissions scandal was previously thought to be limited to models built between 2009 and 2015 fitted with the EA 189 engine - but this news opens up the possibility that current VW Group models could also be involved."

^^
from autoexpress.

Yes, the lack of any apology on the letter simply solidifies my view on what sort of company VW are.

How does this new software work? Same as before or diffferent

[Scuffers]

Pesty said:

How does this new software work? Same as before or different

I suspect this is all about the usage of adblue (as in how much used) rather than anything else

[Pesty]

Scuffers said:

I suspect this is all about the usage of adblue (as in how much used) rather than anything else

My colleague with a 2.0 2015 A4 was only saying yesterday how he hasn't had to put any in yet he's had it months we do 500 to 1k miles a week.

Wondering if it turns off the tank or reduces it when not testing

[Scuffers]

Pesty said:

Scuffers said:

I suspect this is all about the usage of adblue (as in how much used) rather than anything else

My colleague with a 2.0 2015 A4 was only saying yesterday how he hasn't had to put any in yet he's had it months we do 500 to 1k miles a week.

Wondering if it turns off the tank or reduces it when not testing

that would be the logical conclusion, a lot of the makers set them up to only need adblue refills at service, so you either need a huge tank or use sod all of it.