Half a million VWs recalled, sneaky emissions software.
Discussion
Cobnapint said:
Just throwing this on the fire....
if they were prepared to doctor the software in the 1.6 and 2.0 diesels, why didn't they bother with the 3.0 too...?
Or is the pin on that particular hand grenade yet to be pulled?
Possibly. I'm sure I read that the US regulatory body was expanding their investigation to include the 3.0 engine.if they were prepared to doctor the software in the 1.6 and 2.0 diesels, why didn't they bother with the 3.0 too...?
Or is the pin on that particular hand grenade yet to be pulled?
ralphrj said:
Possibly. I'm sure I read that the US regulatory body was expanding their investigation to include the 3.0 engine.
They are, just found this...http://www.just-auto.com/news/epa-now-examining-vw...
MarshPhantom said:
FiF said:
Munter said:
dmsims said:
and now SEAT
I hope this kills Diesel cars permanently
Ok could all the people who don't know that VW/AUDI/SEAT/Skoda are all one and the same company, with the same engines etc under the skin, please identify themselves for a selective culling.I hope this kills Diesel cars permanently
Pan Pan Pan said:
Any person who purports to be any kind of motoring enthusiast, who then attacks the fuel choice of another motorist, is naively doing the ecof*ckwits work for them. You might have heard of the old divide and conquer strategy? Well that is exactly what those Knee jerk specialist calling for a ban on diesels are doing now, and as posted before, once they have got rid of diesels, they are going to start in on ridding the world of
petrol engined vehicles.
The root cause of just about every type of pollution one could care to mention, has a little old human at the bottom of it, But we don't hear people bleating on about banning the production of children to `Save the Planet' do we?
The duplicity of the ecof*ckwits is truly astounding, yet no one bleats that we should ban all ecof*ckwits.
So just as in this case, don't get carried along with all the knee jerk idiots who want to ban diesels in a kind of mob frenzy attack, and defend the cause of motoring generally, rather than attack another part of it which just happens to different to the one you use. There are enough threats to motorists rights already without some of us jumping on the ecof*ckwits band wagon as well.
Not looking good for dmsims....petrol engined vehicles.
The root cause of just about every type of pollution one could care to mention, has a little old human at the bottom of it, But we don't hear people bleating on about banning the production of children to `Save the Planet' do we?
The duplicity of the ecof*ckwits is truly astounding, yet no one bleats that we should ban all ecof*ckwits.
So just as in this case, don't get carried along with all the knee jerk idiots who want to ban diesels in a kind of mob frenzy attack, and defend the cause of motoring generally, rather than attack another part of it which just happens to different to the one you use. There are enough threats to motorists rights already without some of us jumping on the ecof*ckwits band wagon as well.
There is a huge difference between MMGW and local pollution in city centres, which is where diesel is the problem. Yes, diesel is cleaner than it used to be but the number of diesel vehicles has increased exponentially since the early 90s.
China and India and South America each with vast populations, which up to now have been countries largely based on low tech agriculture, are now doing their best to change into modern industrialized vehicle using, consumer based countries.
An already colossal and rapidly growing global population, that will want to increase its uptake of all resources, set against a finite planet with finite resources.
Interesting times lay ahead.
In reality it may make no difference how clean / economical we make vehicles, if we counter those improvements with huge increases in the numbers of additional vehicles /users, the end result for resource uptake and increased waste and emissions can only go one way.
Pan Pan Pan said:
As has the number of people arriving on the planet (up to 345 thousand net new humans per day) an increasing proportion of whom, will want to burn things so that they can move around.
China and India and South America each with vast populations, which up to now have been countries largely based on low tech agriculture, are now doing their best to change into modern industrialized vehicle using, consumer based countries.
An already colossal and rapidly growing global population, that will want to increase its uptake of all resources, set against a finite planet with finite resources.
Interesting times lay ah
ead.
In reality it may make no difference how clean / economical we make vehicles, if we counter those improvements with huge increases in the numbers of additional vehicles /users, the end result for resource uptake and increased waste and emissions can only go one way.
My point was you can't do anything MMGW but you can tackle local air quality issues. You seem to be suggesting that as China has poor air quality we should suck it up too.China and India and South America each with vast populations, which up to now have been countries largely based on low tech agriculture, are now doing their best to change into modern industrialized vehicle using, consumer based countries.
An already colossal and rapidly growing global population, that will want to increase its uptake of all resources, set against a finite planet with finite resources.
Interesting times lay ah
ead.
In reality it may make no difference how clean / economical we make vehicles, if we counter those improvements with huge increases in the numbers of additional vehicles /users, the end result for resource uptake and increased waste and emissions can only go one way.
Pan Pan Pan said:
As has the number of people arriving on the planet (up to 345 thousand net new humans per day) an increasing proportion of whom, will want to burn things so that they can move around.
China and India and South America each with vast populations, which up to now have been countries largely based on low tech agriculture, are now doing their best to change into modern industrialized vehicle using, consumer based countries.
An already colossal and rapidly growing global population, that will want to increase its uptake of all resources, set against a finite planet with finite resources.
Interesting times lay ah
ead.
In reality it may make no difference how clean / economical we make vehicles, if we counter those improvements with huge increases in the numbers of additional vehicles /users, the end result for resource uptake and increased waste and emissions can only go one way.
My point was you can't do anything MMGW but you can tackle local air quality issues. You seem to be suggesting that as China has poor air quality we should suck it up too.China and India and South America each with vast populations, which up to now have been countries largely based on low tech agriculture, are now doing their best to change into modern industrialized vehicle using, consumer based countries.
An already colossal and rapidly growing global population, that will want to increase its uptake of all resources, set against a finite planet with finite resources.
Interesting times lay ah
ead.
In reality it may make no difference how clean / economical we make vehicles, if we counter those improvements with huge increases in the numbers of additional vehicles /users, the end result for resource uptake and increased waste and emissions can only go one way.
Cobnapint said:
ralphrj said:
Possibly. I'm sure I read that the US regulatory body was expanding their investigation to include the 3.0 engine.
They are, just found this...http://www.just-auto.com/news/epa-now-examining-vw...
CocoPops said:
As above, I have a 177bhp 2.0 Tdi (Audi Q3).
If the remap takes away any of that power that I paid a premium for (over the 140bhp), then they can have the car back.
I am struggling to see how the can resolve this without changing the performance of the engine and/or fuel economy?
If I were you id be posing these questions to the dealer (in writing) and expect a written response. Personally, id get a rolling road record BEFORE and after. I would think even a small power drop would be noticeable from driving it.If the remap takes away any of that power that I paid a premium for (over the 140bhp), then they can have the car back.
I am struggling to see how the can resolve this without changing the performance of the engine and/or fuel economy?
CocoPops said:
As above, I have a 177bhp 2.0 Tdi (Audi Q3).
If the remap takes away any of that power that I paid a premium for (over the 140bhp), then they can have the car back.
I am struggling to see how the can resolve this without changing the performance of the engine and/or fuel economy?
That's what I'm concerned about - I bought the 150PS A3 for the performance and economy. Presumably it won't get the same performance and economy when mapped to produce the correct amount of NOx or else there would've been no need for the dodgy software.If the remap takes away any of that power that I paid a premium for (over the 140bhp), then they can have the car back.
I am struggling to see how the can resolve this without changing the performance of the engine and/or fuel economy?
CocoPops said:
As above, I have a 177bhp 2.0 Tdi (Audi Q3).
If the remap takes away any of that power that I paid a premium for (over the 140bhp), then they can have the car back.
I am struggling to see how the can resolve this without changing the performance of the engine and/or fuel economy?
Don't worry, the 140bhp versions will be adjusted downward as well so you'll still have the same power difference If the remap takes away any of that power that I paid a premium for (over the 140bhp), then they can have the car back.
I am struggling to see how the can resolve this without changing the performance of the engine and/or fuel economy?
Oakey said:
CocoPops said:
As above, I have a 177bhp 2.0 Tdi (Audi Q3).
If the remap takes away any of that power that I paid a premium for (over the 140bhp), then they can have the car back.
I am struggling to see how the can resolve this without changing the performance of the engine and/or fuel economy?
Don't worry, the 140bhp versions will be adjusted downward as well so you'll still have the same power difference If the remap takes away any of that power that I paid a premium for (over the 140bhp), then they can have the car back.
I am struggling to see how the can resolve this without changing the performance of the engine and/or fuel economy?
seriously, talk to the dealer. Everyone will be asking the same obvious questions and they will have a solution.
Burwood said:
seriously, talk to the dealer. Everyone will be asking the same obvious questions and they will have a solution.
I bet you right now that the dealers have no information on anything. I'd expect them to have a fixed statement of "VW will contact you if you car is affected. We have no other information. VW customer service can be reached on <phone number>"Until either VW decide what they are doing, or the Gov forces them to do a specific something, I expect the dealers will not be able to say anything.
chrisga said:
Luckily VW have a believable board member explaining to the press that the board only found out about the scandal moments before the press did. Riiiighht, of course I believe you Mr Lies, Mr Olaf Lies....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34397426
I'm still not sure that I see this is a criminal act. Some presumably clever engineers were given parameters to work to, I.e. They knew their engine had to meet X, y and z criteria during a test and they came up with a solution to ensure it did. I guess people say it's deceitful, I think it showed cunning, but guess I'm in a minority. At least the pub banter will change from how unreliable my alfa is to just how dirty is your golf for a few weeks until it's all been forgotten....
That's correct, but those parameters very clearly included 'you must not use a defeat device', and since they went on to use a defeat device, there's surely no way you can claim it was a job well done.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34397426
I'm still not sure that I see this is a criminal act. Some presumably clever engineers were given parameters to work to, I.e. They knew their engine had to meet X, y and z criteria during a test and they came up with a solution to ensure it did. I guess people say it's deceitful, I think it showed cunning, but guess I'm in a minority. At least the pub banter will change from how unreliable my alfa is to just how dirty is your golf for a few weeks until it's all been forgotten....
You can say that's 'cunning' if you wish.
I vacillate between 'deceitful' and 'bloody stupid'.
MarshPhantom said:
the number of diesel vehicles has increased exponentially since the early 90s.
digging around for information on this and it's a little inconclusive but what's clear is that this has not happened. Share of the market has increased and this varied widely by country but the number of diesels hasn't increased exponentially. The growth is, with a few blips and slow downs, pretty linear. Diesel is ~60% of car sales.CocoPops said:
As above, I have a 177bhp 2.0 Tdi (Audi Q3).
If the remap takes away any of that power that I paid a premium for (over the 140bhp), then they can have the car back.
I am struggling to see how the can resolve this without changing the performance of the engine and/or fuel economy?
I think you are right, there will be an impact.If the remap takes away any of that power that I paid a premium for (over the 140bhp), then they can have the car back.
I am struggling to see how the can resolve this without changing the performance of the engine and/or fuel economy?
I suspect all vw will be able to do is offer a big discount against a new eu6 proper 180ps car - when you want to change. this might be the best win win to keep them making cars and the owners not pissed off
Not only V.A.G.how many more European Car Companies have been involved in this.
Is my 1.6 H.D.I.Turbo Diesel in the Citroen G/Picasso two year old car as clean what is supposed to be? Don't forget everything will be tightened up regarding diesel emissions in the future.Maybe the beginning of the end for diesel unless you will accept less mpg and less power.
Is my 1.6 H.D.I.Turbo Diesel in the Citroen G/Picasso two year old car as clean what is supposed to be? Don't forget everything will be tightened up regarding diesel emissions in the future.Maybe the beginning of the end for diesel unless you will accept less mpg and less power.
Response from dealer:
Dear Mr CocoPops,
We are currently awaiting the details of the proposed action to be taken by the Brand in regard to this issue.
Further, not all vehicles will be subject to any modifications required, and as such you will be contacted by the Brand directly should your vehicle be affected.
I am sorry I cannot be clearer at this juncture but more information will be available in the near future.
Kind regards
Mr Service Manager.
Dear Mr CocoPops,
We are currently awaiting the details of the proposed action to be taken by the Brand in regard to this issue.
Further, not all vehicles will be subject to any modifications required, and as such you will be contacted by the Brand directly should your vehicle be affected.
I am sorry I cannot be clearer at this juncture but more information will be available in the near future.
Kind regards
Mr Service Manager.
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