Half a million VWs recalled, sneaky emissions software.

[AW111]

xjay1337 said:

As I have said for a while, many other companies are guilty of failing to meet the actual emission laws.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/91132/20151004/i...

Not quite true.
The cars meet the test. They emit more NOx in real world driving than on the test, but they still meet the law.

[glazbagun]

xjay1337 said:

As I have said for a while, many other companies are guilty of failing to meet the actual emission laws.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/91132/20151004/i...

If the law says the have to pass a test and they do so, then they are not failing to meet the actual emission laws.

This is becoming increasingly like people confusing avoidance with tax evasion.

[98elise]

glazbagun said:

xjay1337 said:

As I have said for a while, many other companies are guilty of failing to meet the actual emission laws.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/91132/20151004/i...

If the law says the have to pass a test and they do so, then they are not failing to meet the actual emission laws.

This is becoming increasingly like people confusing avoidance with tax evasion.

Agreed. Its no different to the mpg figures. Drive like the test, and you will get the same results. Drive differently and you will get different results.

As long as its not rigged to work for the test only, then there is no issue.

[Digga]

Where have we heard all this before?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KenuH94YKaE

[anonymous-user]

glazbagun said:

xjay1337 said:

As I have said for a while, many other companies are guilty of failing to meet the actual emission laws.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/91132/20151004/i...

If the law says the have to pass a test and they do so, then they are not failing to meet the actual emission laws.

This is becoming increasingly like people confusing avoidance with tax evasion.

You're wasting your time with this one. It's been explained to him half a dozen times and he still doesn't get it.

[Scuffers]

fblm said:

You're wasting your time with this one. It's been explained to him half a dozen times and he still doesn't get it.

and this is why it's going to be hard to push a criminal case against VW

in the US there law covers emissions defeat devices and their SW comes under this, not sure the same is true of EU emissions law.

next up is the definition of an emissions defeat device, as you could argue that an exhaust treatment system is a defeat device...

[V8A*ndy]

Just put the VIN number into Skoda's web page.

Confirmation that our posh snotter is affected.

I really get the impression that a real fudge is going to be rolled out.

[Munter]

V8A*ndy said:

Just put the VIN number into Skoda's web page.

Confirmation that our posh snotter is affected.

I really get the impression that a real fudge is going to be rolled out.

But why would you get it done?

Indications are the Gov simply doesn't care about cars already sold, so no effect on RFL. They pass the MOT tests as far as I'm aware. So other than the odd letter from VW asking you to come in for a recall, which you can ignore, what is the incentive to have the work done?

[V8A*ndy]

Munter said:

V8A*ndy said:

Just put the VIN number into Skoda's web page.

Confirmation that our posh snotter is affected.

I really get the impression that a real fudge is going to be rolled out.

But why would you get it done?

Indications are the Gov simply doesn't care about cars already sold, so no effect on RFL. They pass the MOT tests as far as I'm aware. So other than the odd letter from VW asking you to come in for a recall, which you can ignore, what is the incentive to have the work done?

For those with for example a year old car (not me) I suppose VW can get out of warranty claims for a start.

Resale value I suppose could also be hit if the "fix" has not or has been done.

I believe it's going to be a bit more than a re map.

Anyway more info needed. I just hope they do the right thing and that the ambulance chaser lawyers don't fk it up by creating their own scandal.

[Scuffers]

V8A*ndy said:

For those with for example a year old car (not me) I suppose VW can get out of warranty claims for a start.

Resale value I suppose could also be hit if the "fix" has not or has been done.

I believe it's going to be a bit more than a re map.

Anyway more info needed. I just hope they do the right thing and that the ambulance chaser lawyers don't fk it up by creating their own scandal.

Way I see it, it's not going to be hardware (in the UK) as they already have what they need, it's likely to be a re-map with all the horrible mapping to get through the tests, so hello more flat-spots, poor throttle response, lethargic power delivery and st fuel consumption.

[V8A*ndy]

Scuffers said:

V8A*ndy said:

For those with for example a year old car (not me) I suppose VW can get out of warranty claims for a start.

Resale value I suppose could also be hit if the "fix" has not or has been done.

I believe it's going to be a bit more than a re map.

Anyway more info needed. I just hope they do the right thing and that the ambulance chaser lawyers don't fk it up by creating their own scandal.

Way I see it, it's not going to be hardware (in the UK) as they already have what they need, it's likely to be a re-map with all the horrible mapping to get through the tests, so hello more flat-spots, poor throttle response, lethargic power delivery and st fuel consumption.

Yeah the st fuel consumption will be a real hit for me above all else.

The issue of warranty claims if you don't have it done seems like a very real prospect though. Won't affect me as warranty runs out next Jan but I do think it's something to be mindful of.

[Scuffers]

V8A*ndy said:

Yeah the st fuel consumption will be a real hit for me above all else.

The issue of warranty claims if you don't have it done seems like a very real prospect though. Won't affect me as warranty runs out next Jan but I do think it's something to be mindful of.

what's it got to do with warrantee?

worse case, you take it in and they do the 'fix' at the same time...

[V8A*ndy]

Scuffers said:

V8A*ndy said:

Yeah the st fuel consumption will be a real hit for me above all else.

The issue of warranty claims if you don't have it done seems like a very real prospect though. Won't affect me as warranty runs out next Jan but I do think it's something to be mindful of.

what's it got to do with warrantee?

worse case, you take it in and they do the 'fix' at the same time...

Engines blows up. "Sorry Sir you didn't have the recall".

We have already had "Sorry Sir it's been on a track".

[CorbynForTheBin]

Scuffers said:

Way I see it, it's not going to be hardware (in the UK) as they already have what they need, it's likely to be a re-map with all the horrible mapping to get through the tests, so hello more flat-spots, poor throttle response, lethargic power delivery and st fuel consumption.

It'll be interesting to see how a 'fixed' car drives compared to current. I have a feeling this is going to be a much bigger issue for VW and they know it, we don't...

Raising a provision is one thing, chopping R&D etc is fking huge.

[fido]

CorbynForTheBin said:

It'll be interesting to see how a 'fixed' car drives compared to current. I have a feeling this is going to be a much bigger issue for VW and they know it, we don't...

Raising a provision is one thing, chopping R&D etc is fking huge.

Easier for them to buy back the cars, scrap them or sell them onto a country that doesn't give a NoX, and offer the existing owners a fair amount or part-ex. If I were VW's accountants I would build in these costs now ..

[Ayahuasca]

As a 'cheat' VW owner, why would you take your car in for the recall?

It will come out with worse performance!

[CorbynForTheBin]

fido said:

CorbynForTheBin said:

It'll be interesting to see how a 'fixed' car drives compared to current. I have a feeling this is going to be a much bigger issue for VW and they know it, we don't...

Raising a provision is one thing, chopping R&D etc is fking huge.

Easier for them to buy back the cars, scrap them or sell them onto a country that doesn't give a NoX, and offer the existing owners a fair amount or part-ex. If I were VW's accountants I would build in these costs now ..

Yup. That would draw a good line under it, one big hit rather than something protracted - workable from a share price POV too.

I wonder which R&D is gone, that would be interesting...

[CorbynForTheBin]

Forgot to add, I'm expecting a couple of billion dollar DPA to be agreed too.

[MarshPhantom]

Ayahuasca said:

As a 'cheat' VW owner, why would you take your car in for the recall?

It will come out with worse performance!

Anyone buying your car may want to know if it's been recalled and will use as a bargaining tool if not?

[V8A*ndy]

MarshPhantom said:

Ayahuasca said:

As a 'cheat' VW owner, why would you take your car in for the recall?

It will come out with worse performance!

Anyone buying your car may want to know if it's been recalled and will use as a bargaining tool if not?

and as already posted.

Engine blows up "Sorry Sir you didn't have the recall"