Road closed as people refuse to give way
Discussion
saaby93 said:
I know that bridge 
Yes the lady would have been visible once he's about to enter the tunnel, but by that time he's in, she isnt, so she has to give way
If they both arrive same time she has priority
Same thing happens in these chicane style things
You get one person half way through and soemone coming the other way claims they have priority. They do but its too late, the other persons already in
who arrived first him or her? Do they both have Mercs?
Where I live we have those chicane thingies positioned on blind bends. Trouble is that it often ends up as a joust with drivers accelerating at each other to prove a point "I have right of way" "I have priority" "I was into the chicane first" Yes the lady would have been visible once he's about to enter the tunnel, but by that time he's in, she isnt, so she has to give way
If they both arrive same time she has priority
Same thing happens in these chicane style things
You get one person half way through and soemone coming the other way claims they have priority. They do but its too late, the other persons already in
who arrived first him or her? Do they both have Mercs?
saaby93 said:
I know that bridge
Yes the lady would have been visible once he's about to enter the tunnel, but by that time he's in, she isnt, so she has to give way
If they both arrive same time she has priority
Same thing happens in these chicane style things
You get one person half way through and soemone coming the other way claims they have priority. They do but its too late, the other persons already in
who arrived first him or her? Do they both have Mercs?
Exactly - priority only takes effect when both cars are at the line or when the car with priority is sitting at the line already. Then traffic from the other direction should stop.Yes the lady would have been visible once he's about to enter the tunnel, but by that time he's in, she isnt, so she has to give way
If they both arrive same time she has priority
Same thing happens in these chicane style things
You get one person half way through and soemone coming the other way claims they have priority. They do but its too late, the other persons already in
who arrived first him or her? Do they both have Mercs?
If the car without priority is in the tunnel before the other one gets to the line, that priority means nothing. Although personally if I was approaching in the non-priority direction and saw an oncoming car very close to entering on the other side, I'd wait.
Looking at this situation, the woman is out of order as the senile old guy was already most of the way into the tunnel and she's barely in - chances are he got into the tunnel (past his line) before she reached her line. And once it became clear that he was 'not all there', the smartest thing to do is just reverse up a bit and resolve the situation. Not block the bloody road for 40 minutes.
That said, if the male driver is as incapable as the report makes out, he shouldn't really have a license in the first place.
I used to use that road regularly when I worked on that side of Maidenhead, and I don't think it's quite as clear cut as some are suggesting. Yes, the sightlines for southbound traffic are better than they appear on street view, but if the northbound traffic is moving faster than they ought to be (not just because of the road limit, but also because of the right hand bend just before the bridge) then it can reduce the amount of time a southbound driver has to see and react to that vehicle coming towards them.
Would it be too much of an assumption to think that one of the drivers involved here probably was travelling a bit faster than they ought to have been, and would it then really be too much of an assumption to think it probably wasn't the old bloke... Living close to several schools, the first part of my drive to work involves having to avoid school run traffic, and the staggeringly low levels of forward planning exhibited by a staggeringly high number of school run drivers (mostly female) is sad to see.
Not saying it's only ever female drivers who fail to read the road ahead and realise that just because the signs say you've got priority doesn't always mean it's a good idea to proceed, but they do seem to make up the majority of offenders, so it really wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if in this case she approached the bridge, saw the old guy already heading through the narrow section, and proceeded anyway because that's what the signs were telling her to do.
Would it be too much of an assumption to think that one of the drivers involved here probably was travelling a bit faster than they ought to have been, and would it then really be too much of an assumption to think it probably wasn't the old bloke... Living close to several schools, the first part of my drive to work involves having to avoid school run traffic, and the staggeringly low levels of forward planning exhibited by a staggeringly high number of school run drivers (mostly female) is sad to see.
Not saying it's only ever female drivers who fail to read the road ahead and realise that just because the signs say you've got priority doesn't always mean it's a good idea to proceed, but they do seem to make up the majority of offenders, so it really wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if in this case she approached the bridge, saw the old guy already heading through the narrow section, and proceeded anyway because that's what the signs were telling her to do.
twister said:
....it really wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if in this case she approached the bridge, saw the old guy already heading through the narrow section, and proceeded anyway because that's what the signs were telling her to do.
what she thought the signs were telling her waht to do.It really is a misleading sign as it looks as though you have priority already in the narrow bit when you havent. The signs used at the other end are more explanatory
Like most give way things it probably comes from the days of boating. Imagine a narrow piece of canal wide enough for one boat. Once a boat is in teh other boat approaching gives way. If both arrive a the same time one has priority over going in
Recently I can't help thinking the DM is watch the PH Dashcam thread for story leads. So I guess it's not entirely ****
Some of the comments from standers-by are just moronic, It seem many people fail at root cause analysis blaming the victim for standing by her principles and refusing to be bullied. You have to wonder why they them selves didn't they turn around and go another way.
Some of the comments from standers-by are just moronic, It seem many people fail at root cause analysis blaming the victim for standing by her principles and refusing to be bullied. You have to wonder why they them selves didn't they turn around and go another way.
Edited by Martin4x4 on Friday 25th September 13:05
over_the_hill said:
As noted above this could have been other wars but most people would take this to be the 2nd World War.
But he would only need to be about 86...
But he would only need to be about 86...
Ok, I didn't realise we were conscripting them as young as 15 years old in 1944/45 but ho hum it was just a throw away remark... 
over_the_hill said:
And as for all of those saying words to the effect of "doddery old git - take his licence away" Just think.
One day you will be old, probably not as strong and powerfully built as you are now and maybe even a little frail. I hope you have someone to look after you and ferry you around when you will of course voluntarily surrender your own licence.
Exactly. Some compassion is also required.One day you will be old, probably not as strong and powerfully built as you are now and maybe even a little frail. I hope you have someone to look after you and ferry you around when you will of course voluntarily surrender your own licence.
I was more worried that the man was going to have a stroke/heart attack with the stress of it all.
Its difficult to see what/who is at fault most likely its 50/50 but who knows. Who cares. There was no crash, they both stopped, Its arguable either way who was technically right and indeed there may be no one at fault as such.
But have a bit of pity on the old guy. Its not pleasant to see anyone is such distress.
Martin4x4 said:
Some of the comments from standers-by are just moronic, It seem many people fail at root cause analysis blaming the victim for standing by her principles and refusing to be bullied. You have to wonder why they them selves didn't they turn around and go another way.
Well, that is one interpretation. I' not sure it is mine.Edited by Martin4x4 on Friday 25th September 13:05
saaby93 said:
Well unless I have it wrong, he was most of the way through the tunnel/bridge when she comes in fails to give way and claims priority, which she doesnt have
I would say that she is considerably further forward of where the road becomes one lane than he is.I think she was being stubborn, unreasonable and selfish not to back down, but I think the old duffer is the more likely party to have obliviously driven into an impasse.
Crush said:
Where I live we have those chicane thingies positioned on blind bends. Trouble is that it often ends up as a joust with drivers accelerating at each other to prove a point "I have right of way" "I have priority" "I was into the chicane first"
What is the etiquette for these things ?We have a couple of roads near us with them.
On one road the etiquette seems to be to take it in turns for 1 car through at a time from each direction. Anyone forcing themselves through straight behind another car is given a snarling look coupled with a rev of the engine and inching the car forward a few inches
Yet the other road seems to be to let all cars through that are coming in the opposite direction until there is a gap, then the same thing happens for everyone coming the other way.
Martin4x4 said:
Some of the comments from standers-by are just moronic, It seem many people fail at root cause analysis blaming the victim for standing by her principles and refusing to be bullied. You have to wonder why they them selves didn't they turn around and go another way.
What "victim"? This was an easily remedied minor traffic incident that probably occurs hundred if not thousands of times per day - "principles" mean nothing here. The highway code specifically instructs:1. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident.
2. You MUST NOT drive without reasonable consideration for other road users (Law RTA 1988 sects 2 & 3 as amended by RTA 1991)
reminds me of the pride section of this film.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067381/?ref_=nm_flmg_...
i think they were as bad as each other to be honest.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067381/?ref_=nm_flmg_...
i think they were as bad as each other to be honest.
ash73 said:
Why are they having a go at the woman? They should offer to help reverse the old guy's car out of the way if he can't do it himself. Good for her standing her ground.
And omfg at his reversing.
If she could see the old boy was unsure of his reversing ability to the extent that onlookers were offering to reverse for him - no one but a bloody moron would sit in their car cos they thought they had a right of way. That you think she was in the right speaks volumes for your road manners/sense..And omfg at his reversing.
Not sure if this is clear or a time delay factor or even something else (pics of the event) but were there not more cars behind the woman than the old guy? If so that would (obviously) make the practicality of reversing more difficult, regardless of the fact that she had right of way.
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