Redcar Steel plant
Discussion
crankedup said:
Indeed, it has been said many times by many people, we cannot compete on price alone but our quality is second to none. Some of the stuff that comes out of China is more s
te than steel imo.
Indian material is even worsete than steel imo. Seeing more and more on domestic orders Western European Origin only procurement
depends what the market wants though. cheap ste is perfectly acceptable in a lot of global markets.
there are producers who focussed solely on high quality, such as SSAB and thysenn krupp. been a while since i was in steelmaking but they were always profitable outfits with higher wage/tax bases than the uk.
te is perfectly acceptable in a lot of global markets.there are producers who focussed solely on high quality, such as SSAB and thysenn krupp. been a while since i was in steelmaking but they were always profitable outfits with higher wage/tax bases than the uk.
People laughed at ed Milliband when he said he'd fix energy prices, probably laughing at corbyn's suggestion that we should take back some things into national ownership, but of course the last laugh will be the French, Spanish and Chinese state owned utility companies who set our energy prices.
Strocky said:
crankedup said:
Indeed, it has been said many times by many people, we cannot compete on price alone but our quality is second to none. Some of the stuff that comes out of China is more ste than steel imo.
Indian material is even worsete than steel imo. Seeing more and more on domestic orders Western European Origin only procurement
Strocky said:
crankedup said:
Indeed, it has been said many times by many people, we cannot compete on price alone but our quality is second to none. Some of the stuff that comes out of China is more ste than steel imo.
Indian material is even worsete than steel imo. Seeing more and more on domestic orders Western European Origin only procurement
Seen that too. One of our suppliers makes a point of mentioning that their stainless steel is from Western Europe. We buy from them because they're the best on price but more importantly far better quality on both size and machinability.FredClogs said:
People laughed at ed Milliband when he said he'd fix energy prices, probably laughing at corbyn's suggestion that we should take back some things into national ownership, but of course the last laugh will be the French, Spanish and Chinese state owned utility companies who set our energy prices.
It's got next to nothing to do with foreign ownership, the main cost pressures have been/are from green energy policies - which Labour is largely responsible for, especially Blair and Milliband.As a Teessider, the way this whole issue has been handled by the Government is pretty shoddy. We're a proud bunch up here of our steel making. I just hope the plant can be saved and kept in working condition and hopefully the Chinese dumping of steel will face sanctions.
"Ironopolis
Where alchemists
Were born
Below Cleveland’s hills
A giant blue dragonfly
Across the Tees
Reminds us every night
We built the world,
Every metropolis
Came from
Ironopolis"
"Ironopolis
Where alchemists
Were born
Below Cleveland’s hills
A giant blue dragonfly
Across the Tees
Reminds us every night
We built the world,
Every metropolis
Came from
Ironopolis"
Mr GrimNasty said:
FredClogs said:
People laughed at ed Milliband when he said he'd fix energy prices, probably laughing at corbyn's suggestion that we should take back some things into national ownership, but of course the last laugh will be the French, Spanish and Chinese state owned utility companies who set our energy prices.
It's got next to nothing to do with foreign ownership, the main cost pressures have been/are from green energy policies - which Labour is largely responsible for, especially Blair and Milliband.markcoznottz said:
Long term subsidation of manufacturing didn't end so well last time did it....
Except that's not what we're talking about - if anything, current Uk and EU policy is, effective, subsidising China and India by imposing penalties on domestic producers that simply do not exist outside of out clould cuckoo land.As for quality, here's a digger attachment failure cause by the failure of a cheap, imported bucket pin. You can see the pin has (pointlessly) been case hardened, but the interior is appallingly low grade - made from old dustbin lids by the looks of things. We've had reports of a lot of this and it is a safety critical issue.
In this case, the attachment was salvageable, but a pin breakage could potentially drop a bucket or attachment onto a site worker.
markcoznottz said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
FredClogs said:
People laughed at ed Milliband when he said he'd fix energy prices, probably laughing at corbyn's suggestion that we should take back some things into national ownership, but of course the last laugh will be the French, Spanish and Chinese state owned utility companies who set our energy prices.
It's got next to nothing to do with foreign ownership, the main cost pressures have been/are from green energy policies - which Labour is largely responsible for, especially Blair and Milliband.China and India are simply laughing at our crass stupidity.
legzr1 said:
crankedup said:
Nobody can be more keen than I to see our industries grow and thrive, the sad truth is that in this situation the owners simply cannot continue to pour in millions of loss pounds. Its hard economic facts in a Global market, if it was owned by Government maybe they would keep the place open, but very unlikely.
I hope that our Government can offer more support to the working people affected by the closure than was offered when the coal mines were closed!
It can be done and done well.I hope that our Government can offer more support to the working people affected by the closure than was offered when the coal mines were closed!
Consett was a large 'steel town' devastated by closure but time, investment and intelligent thinking helped greatly.
National house builders build expensive homes (that locals cant afford) on cheap land (money leaves local economy) using some subbies from down sarf. I own one of those homes and spoke to some of the contractors!
The likes of Costa, Starbucks and other chains setup shop providing some low paid jobs. Works bloody well. My house is worth £30K less than I paid for it in 2007.
This crap country needs to scrap its pointless "green" taxes, buy local and start bloody well looking after our own. Until then as others have said the foreign suppliers are sitting raking it in laughing all the way to the bank.
As for the pic above of the failed part yup that's what you get. Sad state of affairs.
On a tiny scale perhaps but neatly embraces the problem of poor quality imports (such as Digga's example). I needed to have some valve springs made for my car last week, the business I used for the job is a one man and his wife business. He told me that he can no longer buy in the high quality wire he uses for compression springs from his suppliers! Instead its the crap from abroad. Fortunately he was able to source a supplier of the quality he required and purchased a very large job lot to keep this side of his business up to quality production. He was referring to Chrome silicon vanadium apparently, or something like that!
crankedup said:
On a tiny scale perhaps but neatly embraces the problem of poor quality imports (such as Digga's example). I needed to have some valve springs made for my car last week, the business I used for the job is a one man and his wife business. He told me that he can no longer buy in the high quality wire he uses for compression springs from his suppliers! Instead its the crap from abroad. Fortunately he was able to source a supplier of the quality he required and purchased a very large job lot to keep this side of his business up to quality production. He was referring to Chrome silicon vanadium apparently, or something like that!
This is becoming all to common.Special steels are becoming a massive problem.
Scuffers said:
This is becoming all to common.
Special steels are becoming a massive problem.
Special steels are becoming a massive problem.
Just into administration in the last week. http://www.kpsteel.com/Mr GrimNasty said:
FredClogs said:
People laughed at ed Milliband when he said he'd fix energy prices, probably laughing at corbyn's suggestion that we should take back some things into national ownership, but of course the last laugh will be the French, Spanish and Chinese state owned utility companies who set our energy prices.
It's got next to nothing to do with foreign ownership, the main cost pressures have been/are from green energy policies - which Labour is largely responsible for, especially Blair and Milliband.Where is he? Oh.
528Sport said:
legzr1 said:
crankedup said:
Nobody can be more keen than I to see our industries grow and thrive, the sad truth is that in this situation the owners simply cannot continue to pour in millions of loss pounds. Its hard economic facts in a Global market, if it was owned by Government maybe they would keep the place open, but very unlikely.
I hope that our Government can offer more support to the working people affected by the closure than was offered when the coal mines were closed!
It can be done and done well.I hope that our Government can offer more support to the working people affected by the closure than was offered when the coal mines were closed!
Consett was a large 'steel town' devastated by closure but time, investment and intelligent thinking helped greatly.
National house builders build expensive homes (that locals cant afford) on cheap land (money leaves local economy) using some subbies from down sarf. I own one of those homes and spoke to some of the contractors!
The likes of Costa, Starbucks and other chains setup shop providing some low paid jobs. Works bloody well. My house is worth £30K less than I paid for it in 2007.
This crap country needs to scrap its pointless "green" taxes, buy local and start bloody well looking after our own. Until then as others have said the foreign suppliers are sitting raking it in laughing all the way to the bank.
As for the pic above of the failed part yup that's what you get. Sad state of affairs.
killingjoker said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
FredClogs said:
People laughed at ed Milliband when he said he'd fix energy prices, probably laughing at corbyn's suggestion that we should take back some things into national ownership, but of course the last laugh will be the French, Spanish and Chinese state owned utility companies who set our energy prices.
It's got next to nothing to do with foreign ownership, the main cost pressures have been/are from green energy policies - which Labour is largely responsible for, especially Blair and Milliband.Where is he? Oh.
There is nothing that DC can do now energy prices have been rigged high, yes blame is firmly at Labour's door.
DC is trying to cut back green subsidies to limit the damage, but it isn't easy when green nutters launch legal challenges every time.
and to put it bluntly, All the LibLabCons support the climate change bullst.
until we pull out of the EU and dump the climate change act and all it;s associated bks, we are going to be looking at electricity prices double what they are now in the next 5-6 years.
We simply cannot keep paying wind operator's 3-4 times the price we are currently selling it for.
t.until we pull out of the EU and dump the climate change act and all it;s associated b
ks, we are going to be looking at electricity prices double what they are now in the next 5-6 years.We simply cannot keep paying wind operator's 3-4 times the price we are currently selling it for.
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