Another US Campus mass shooting.
Discussion
WinstonWolf said:
I understand it's a difficult question as you need to actually think about how many gun murders are acceptable. Twenty five thousand a year, is that OK?
It's not banging on, it's forcing you to think...
It's not forcing me to think. No murders are acceptable, but murders happen in every country and in the United States the majority of murders are gang related. I don't see you jumping up and down about the homicide rate in Russia or Argentina or Mexico, all of which guns are harder to get than the US and all of which have a higher homicide rate. It's not banging on, it's forcing you to think...
creampuff said:
WinstonWolf said:
I understand it's a difficult question as you need to actually think about how many gun murders are acceptable. Twenty five thousand a year, is that OK?
It's not banging on, it's forcing you to think...
It's not forcing me to think. No murders are acceptable, but murders happen in every country and in the United States the majority of murders are gang related. I don't see you jumping up and down about the homicide rate in Russia or Argentina or Mexico, all of which guns are harder to get than the US and all of which have a higher homicide rate. It's not banging on, it's forcing you to think...
WinstonWolf said:
And therein lies the problem, you are unable to think.
Unfortunately, the biggest problem for more control of guns is people like yourself. You have contempt for the very large majority of gun owners who use them safely and you have said things like "America has proved time and time again that Americans are not responsible enough to have guns.", when there are 150 million gun owners almost all of whom have used them safely for years without incident. Perhaps many Americans would like more control of guns, waiting periods for guns, no non-dealer gun sales etc etc. But they will not give any ground to a ban-everything agenda like yours and you aren't even sensible enough to keep quiet about your extreme banning views so you may be able to achieve something, but instead achieve nothing.
You are like Jeremy Corbyn. You appeal strongly to one extremity of the spectrum, but you have no middle ground appeal and you need to appeal to the average person to get anywhere. Like I said before, limey Brits like Piers Morgan who have extreme gun banning agendas are just about the best friend the NRA has. You should take the lesson of Piers Morgan on CNN - he poked fun at middle America and their guns, his ratings plummeted and he got fired.
ash73 said:
Unfortunately politicians won't do anything unpopular because they need votes so, for example, we have lotteries that are a tax on the stupid, and everyone in the US has a gun which some of them use to kill children. Brilliant.
In reality around half have guns and a tiny percentage use them to kill children.creampuff said:
WinstonWolf said:
And therein lies the problem, you are unable to think.
Unfortunately, the biggest problem for more control of guns is people like yourself. You have contempt for the very large majority of gun owners who use them safely and you have said things like "America has proved time and time again that Americans are not responsible enough to have guns.", when there are 150 million gun owners almost all of whom have used them safely for years without incident. Perhaps many Americans would like more control of guns, waiting periods for guns, no non-dealer gun sales etc etc. But they will not give any ground to a ban-everything agenda like yours and you aren't even sensible enough to keep quiet about your extreme banning views so you may be able to achieve something, but instead achieve nothing.
You are like Jeremy Corbyn. You appeal strongly to one extremity of the spectrum, but you have no middle ground appeal and you need to appeal to the average person to get anywhere. Like I said before, limey Brits like Piers Morgan who have extreme gun banning agendas are just about the best friend the NRA has. You should take the lesson of Piers Morgan on CNN - he poked fun at middle America and their guns, his ratings plummeted and he got fired.
Jim Jeffries absolutely nails the NRA, there is only reason for guns.
I WANT A GUN
Corpulent Tosser said:
ash73 said:
Unfortunately politicians won't do anything unpopular because they need votes so, for example, we have lotteries that are a tax on the stupid, and everyone in the US has a gun which some of them use to kill children. Brilliant.
In reality around half have guns and a tiny percentage use them to kill children.Corpulent Tosser said:
If I want a gun, have a use for a gun and am a law abiding citizen why should I not be able to own a gun ?
Because, most of those killing in schools were also 'law abiding citizens' before they went on rampage. They also seem to had use for a gun, and they definitely wanted one (or more). Corpulent Tosser said:
WinstonWolf said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
If I want a gun, have a use for a gun and am a law abiding citizen why should I not be able to own a gun ?
I can think of 406,496 reasons...creampuff said:
You should take the lesson of Piers Morgan on CNN - he poked fun at middle America and their guns, his ratings plummeted and he got fired.
America has go a lot to answer for, what with their expansionism and their interference in Central America, South East Asia and the Middle East, and the mayhem it has caused. But of all the things America has done, giving us back Piers Morgan when we thought we'd managed to palm him off on the yanks for good is the one thing I will never forgive them for.WinstonWolf said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
WinstonWolf said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
If I want a gun, have a use for a gun and am a law abiding citizen why should I not be able to own a gun ?
I can think of 406,496 reasons...Doesn't mean I shouldn't want one or have a use for one.
WinstonWolf said:
Here's an interesting question, if the politicians who passed the second amendment could see the outcome do you think it would ever have been voted through?
Possibly not, but the 2nd Amendment is not what it is about with most gun owners, though it is a handy tool to use in an arguement.Corpulent Tosser said:
WinstonWolf said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
WinstonWolf said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
If I want a gun, have a use for a gun and am a law abiding citizen why should I not be able to own a gun ?
I can think of 406,496 reasons...Doesn't mean I shouldn't want one or have a use for one.
Australia has solved the problem, the US needs the balls to follow their lead. You pretty much can't smoke in public there but you can carry a concealed weapon? WTaF.
WinstonWolf said:
We manage just fine without them in general circulation in the UK.
In the UK, you are not surrounded by a gun-toting populace of indeterminate mental capacity/social conscience. In the US, we are. That presents a couple of choices for most of us - ignore that unfortunate reality and go about your business, or make provision to counter it, should the unthinkable befall you. It seems to be about a 50/50 split.I appreciate your sentiment regarding removing guns from public ownership - but you seem to have omitted a fairly pivotal part of the puzzle. How? If you were 'in charge' of us all, how would you practically go about confiscating all the guns?
WinstonWolf said:
Nope, that's not good enough. Life in the UK is better for the general population not having unfettered access to guns.
Australia has solved the problem, the US needs the balls to follow their lead. You pretty much can't smoke in public there but you can carry a concealed weapon? WTaF.
I never mention unfettered access.Australia has solved the problem, the US needs the balls to follow their lead. You pretty much can't smoke in public there but you can carry a concealed weapon? WTaF.
Gun ownership has never been common in Britain, so the virtual ban post Dunblane affected very few people, it was popular, unnecessary in my opinion but popular, so the government did it.
Gun ownership is ingrained in the American way of life and a ban is not going to work there, gun control can work, but even that will have minimal effect.
Edited by Corpulent Tosser on Saturday 3rd October 14:55
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