Another US Campus mass shooting.

[skyrover]

Are guns the problem or is it culture?

Plenty of European countries have widespread gun ownership, yet the frequency of mass shootings in Europe is much lower. Andrew Berwick in Norway being the most recent example. (or Charlie Hebdo in France, although that was Islamic terrorism, so arguably something different)

They say guns don't kill people, people do.

So why do American's like to kill other Americans? Why are there so many angry, frustrated young individuals willing to resort to lethal force in the USA?

[anonymous-user]

Becoz they be disrespectin' me, yo.

[anonymous-user]

longblackcoat, please check this out. Obama has pushed repeatedly for gun control, regardless of his electoral position.

http://www.politico.com/gallery/2015/08/its-got-to...

[anonymous-user]

it sure looks like a deepening problem, can't believe the pro gun people aren't treated like lepers.



http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/10/mass-s...

[benjj]

[superkartracer]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06fq2v6/regg...

^^ Great watch this , the granny protester ( all the protesters ) were packing heat , poor Yates looked shocked to the marrows.

The goon gun-shop ( store ) owner.. f**kme , thick as donkey spunk .

[longblackcoat]

Breadvan72 said:

longblackcoat, please check this out. Obama has pushed repeatedly for gun control, regardless of his electoral position.

http://www.politico.com/gallery/2015/08/its-got-to...

Thanks for that BV.

And I know Obama's position. But he and the Democrats could make this the front and centre of their electoral campaigns if they were really serious about it. After all, it's over 10000 gun homicides a year in the States, so it's pretty important. But it seems to me that the two sides have drawn their lines and have accepted the status quo, which is simply spineless for those in favour of reduced deaths.

Criticism is one thing, but action quite another. Obama should hang his head in shame that in his term in office not far short of 100000 people have died as a result of preventable gun violence.

[London424]

Asterix said:

Apparently Obama has had 15 US mass shootings while he's been the boss.

Madness!

Sadly you are miles off with that number I'm afraid.

Sandy Hook school shooting was in Dec 2012 (the one that was supposed to have turned the tide). Since then there have been 137 school shootings. Nothing has been done at all.

I don't know why we keep posting these things up any more. They aren't unique, they will happen again in the next week or two and nothing will be done about it. It's a waste of internet bandwidth.

[croyde]

Looking at the graph above it would seem that the rise of mass shootings match the period that Internet use became common.

[p1stonhead]

paranoid airbag said:

Asterix said:

Shame, but will keep happening forever in the US.

"In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over."

I think this is THE point to be made. Nothing will change because nothing (I can reasonably imagine) can be worse than what happened at Sandy Hook and gun laws remain the same afterwards.

Let them get on with their lives in whatever way they want. It wont be long until the next.

[Vaud]

croyde said:

Looking at the graph above it would seem that the rise of mass shootings match the period that Internet use became common.

If you correlate it to something else than it also shows something.

[Mr Trophy]

See the people that where "egging" him on, online, will they be tracked down and prosecuted?

[Esseesse]

Do we know if this one was taking or coming off some kind of antidepressant?

[Blackpuddin]

Obama points out that there is already a gun for every man, woman and child in America, so not obvious how more of them is going to help.

[rohrl]

Some fine reporting by CNN here -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU4W0ef2654

"The shooter identified himself as a beta male..."



Obama is right. Mass shootings like these are routine in the USA now, just like traffic deaths. The only difference is that vehicles have a valuable purpose outside of killing and have a net benefit to society.

[anonymous-user]

4Chan sez: Chad and Stacey to blame, Normies!

[Gandahar]

longblackcoat said:

Breadvan72 said:

longblackcoat, please check this out. Obama has pushed repeatedly for gun control, regardless of his electoral position.

http://www.politico.com/gallery/2015/08/its-got-to...

Thanks for that BV.

And I know Obama's position. But he and the Democrats could make this the front and centre of their electoral campaigns if they were really serious about it. After all, it's over 10000 gun homicides a year in the States, so it's pretty important. But it seems to me that the two sides have drawn their lines and have accepted the status quo, which is simply spineless for those in favour of reduced deaths.

Criticism is one thing, but action quite another. Obama should hang his head in shame that in his term in office not far short of 100000 people have died as a result of preventable gun violence.

Some good points well argued from both sides. From my view, and it may be incorrect as I am in the UK, but I seem to recall toughened gun laws being put forward by Obama and then them being watered down so much it meant nothing.

Given the same process was also, during this time period, failing to even to agree on financing the country / debit burden before government was being shut down, it's not surprising gun control got nowhere either.

I don't see what can actually make the US change in the short term. In the long term, and I am talking decades, this rather ancient law will seem more and more antiquated in the modern ( future ) world.

[creampuff]

OpulentBob said:

Do you know the reason behind the second amendment, Rambo? Or do you just think, "woohoo guns! My penis is small but my trigger finger is all powerful!"

The US Supreme Court recently ruled on the meaning of the term "militia" in the second amendment and they did not find it means what you seem to think it means. "Militia" has been found to refer to single citizens who have the right to bear arms.

And what do penises have to do with guns? That sort of statement just irritates everybody including the large majority of peaceful and lawful gun owners.

[anonymous-user]

Obama should not hang his head in shame, but every member of Congress who has voted against gun control should do so, as should the majority of the Supreme Court who decided two important gun control cases in recent years (in a pro gun direction). They have blood on their hands, because of their insane worship of a sacred text (the Second Amendment), that in any event they serially misconstrue. Obama cannot act alone. No President can. The President needs the Congress to act with him (or, as it may be, her), and needs the Supreme Court to interpret the Second Amendment correctly, as the minority Justices already do. Add one or two more Justices to their number when Scalia and one of the other conservative jurists retires, and then we shall see.

[Gandahar]

creampuff said:

OpulentBob said:

Do you know the reason behind the second amendment, Rambo? Or do you just think, "woohoo guns! My penis is small but my trigger finger is all powerful!"

The US Supreme Court recently ruled on the meaning of the term "militia" in the second amendment and they did not find it means what you seem to think it means. "Militia" has been found to refer to single citizens who have the right to bear arms.

And what do penises have to do with guns? That sort of statement just irritates everybody including the large majority of peaceful and lawful gun owners.

One of the problems is the split between law abiding gun owners and non law abiding gun owners often made. The problem is there is another large group which can be called the previously law abiding gun owners.... most serial killings are not done by criminals after all.