Another US Campus mass shooting.
Discussion
BlackST said:
I couldn't read all of that because it was just making me feel sick and so angry. 5ohmustang said:
In case you forgot what happened the last time you tried to shove tyranny down our throats you got your asses handed to you. I'd fix your own socialist problems first.
I'm not going to debate or discuss gun control with you brainwashed cretins.
Take my rights? Take my guns? I say come get them liberal w
kers.
I'm guessing this is a parody but nevertheless, it does seem to be a widely held view. The idea that any form of gun control infringes basic American rights was the masterstroke of NRA propoganda.I'm not going to debate or discuss gun control with you brainwashed cretins.
Take my rights? Take my guns? I say come get them liberal w
kers.Even more dumb is the argument that an armed population is essential to protect itself from the Government. However, when the Government did infringe basic rights by deciding that privacy wasn't something US citizens were entitled to - it was largely met with a shrug of the shoulders.
The power of propoganda is terrifying.
skyrover said:
Why are there so many angry, frustrated young individuals willing to resort to lethal force in the USA?
Well this kind of attitude doesn't help.el stovey said:
Isn't it usually pupils out on the fringe killing the more normal and popular pupils to make a name for themselves?
Deciding who is and isn't "normal" and excluding in various ways those who refuse to conform.If that kid had felt accepted by every other child in that school, would he have killed them?
The Spruce goose said:
it sure looks like a deepening problem, can't believe the pro gun people aren't treated like lepers.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/10/mass-s...
The overall rate of homicides including by firearms is going down. See below:http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/10/mass-s...
Most Americans believe in the right to bear arms:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
Over half think gun laws should be kept as they are now or made less restrictive.
As long as people who want a reduction in the number of guns use terms like "pro gun lepers" and "small penises" (earlier post) then you can pretty much guarantee you will never have the support of middle-America who are law-abiding citizens, gun owners, have been using guns all their lives and have never had a safety incident with them or ever fired them in anger. For some reason these wacky middle-Americans don't seem to like being called lepers with small penises.
Breadvan72 said:
creampuff said:
... what do penises have to do with guns?
WOW! Are you asking that question in all seriousness? You have got to be stting us surely? WOW. Just WOW. creampuff said:
Breadvan72 said:
creampuff said:
... what do penises have to do with guns?
WOW! Are you asking that question in all seriousness? You have got to be stting us surely? WOW. Just WOW. 
Breadvan72 said:
Obama should not hang his head in shame, but every member of Congress who has voted against gun control should do so, as should the majority of the Supreme Court who decided two important gun control cases in recent years (in a pro gun direction). They have blood on their hands, because of their insane worship of a sacred text (the Second Amendment), that in any event they serially misconstrue. Obama cannot act alone. No President can. The President needs the Congress to act with him (or, as it may be, her), and needs the Supreme Court to interpret the Second Amendment correctly, as the minority Justices already do. Add one or two more Justices to their number when Scalia and one of the other conservative jurists retires, and then we shall see.
We'll just have to disagree; you're right that those who vote against gun control should certainly be held to acount, but nothwithstanding your very valid point about the composition of the Supreme Counrt and their views on the Second Amendment, I do not accept that the Democrats have done enough to push this issue. Maybe Obama doesn't have blood on his hands, but he's not done nearly enough. Hand-wringing rarely achieves much other than soothing one's own conscience.
Breadvan72 said:
Either top trolling or you really, really don't get it, in which case, double WOW. Have a Look at Giselle Bundchen and Jane Fonda above, if you are still struggling with this.
Almost half of American households have guns. Further, high-income earners are more likely to own guns than low-income earners. If you think that shrill cries of "small penis" "pepper" "moron" etc (terms all of which have been used in this thread) being applied to half the US population, including a bigger proportion of gun owners from the high-income/high-education part of the population are going to bring about some form of additional gun control: when in that case I know which of the pro and anti gun camp are "morons"
You are trying to change to a different subject. I use none of that rhetoric. The issues are far more serious than that. You questioned what guns have to do with penises. That is a truly absurd question to ask. Guns are closely associated with ideas of maleness and the phallic. The fact that some women also use guns does not negate that point. See above for phallic imagery in connection with women and guns, as well as men and guns. To suggest that guns and cultural concepts associated with the penis have no relation to one another is to be culturally tone deaf.
creampuff said:
The overall rate of homicides including by firearms is going down. See below:
Ah, the trusty old graph-off-the-internet, without data sources or proper axis labels and this time with added misleading notations. That'll prove something.. 
creampuff said:
Most Americans believe in the right to bear arms:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
Over half think gun laws should be kept as they are now or made less restrictive.
We know this already.http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
Over half think gun laws should be kept as they are now or made less restrictive.
Breadvan72 said:
many Democrats in the House and the Senate are pro gun.
Yep, and this is what so angers me. I read an academic paper last year which pointed out that Democratic politicians, particularly senators, flip-flop on gun control and backtrack on their stance as elections approach. Link below is a short precishttp://www.voxeu.org/article/guns-and-votes
You can get the entire paper here but they charge, I'm afraid, unless you're an academic, a journalist etc.
http://www.nber.org/papers/w20253
durbster said:
creampuff said:
The overall rate of homicides including by firearms is going down. See below:
Ah, the trusty old graph-off-the-internet, without data sources or proper axis labels and this time with added misleading notations. That'll prove something.. Breadvan72 said:
You are trying to change to a different subject. I use none of that rhetoric. The issues are far more serious than that. You questioned what guns have to do with penises. That is a truly absurd question to ask. Guns are closely associated with ideas of maleness and the phallic. The fact that some women also use guns does not negate that point. See above for phallic imagery in connection with women and guns, as well as men and guns. To suggest that guns and cultural concepts associated with the penis have no relation to one another is to be culturally tone deaf.
OK if you have a desire to make more restrictive laws around gun use and ownership, then I think equating them to penises is not the argument to use. It's just weird. It probably will have more success in the US than calling gun owners crazed murderers but only because the penis argument is so bizarre that it will leave the pro-gun camp totally befuddled for quite some time. You hold guns at eye level to shoot them btw, not at crotch level. creampuff said:
OpulentBob said:
Do you know the reason behind the second amendment, Rambo? Or do you just think, "woohoo guns! My penis is small but my trigger finger is all powerful!"
The US Supreme Court recently ruled on the meaning of the term "militia" in the second amendment and they did not find it means what you seem to think it means. "Militia" has been found to refer to single citizens who have the right to bear arms. And what do penises have to do with guns? That sort of statement just irritates everybody including the large majority of peaceful and lawful gun owners.
Someone with a far more clear understanding of the US constitution than most. That the meaning has been bastardised or drifted since it was written or from its initial sentiment means little.
And these plebs who go round shooting school kids, or defending their rights to have guns, have some sort of major insecurity, my money is on penis size.
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