Another US Campus mass shooting.
Discussion
London424 said:
The thing with having guns locked in safes in a different part of the house etc. it then makes it a bit pointless when you need it 'to defend yourself from burglars/rape/death'.
So it comes back to, what's the point in everyone having them around the house?
It doesn't mean that you just leave them lying around the house though.So it comes back to, what's the point in everyone having them around the house?
OpulentBob said:
Yes there are lots of shotguns about. But in the home they are locked away (unloaded, gun in one safe, ammo in another)...
There is no requirement to lock up shotgun ammunition in the UK. You can quite legally leave it lying about where ever you fancy. Neither do you need a certificate to possess it.I think that the issue of children gaining access to guns inside their own homes is particularly horrifying and entirely avoidable. Why it is not a felony offense is totally beyond me. I suspect that the death of your child might be considered punishment enough by the authorities, but it isn't a deterrent until the tragedy occurs.
If allowing access by juveniles was criminalized, some gun owners might be motivated to be less careless. Not sure how that would be policed though - the lack of security doesn't usually become obvious until after the event.
There is no way I would own firearms if I had children at home - locked away or otherwise.
If allowing access by juveniles was criminalized, some gun owners might be motivated to be less careless. Not sure how that would be policed though - the lack of security doesn't usually become obvious until after the event.
There is no way I would own firearms if I had children at home - locked away or otherwise.
Awww, bless.
Run. Hide. Fight.
Produced by the City of Houston.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VcSwejU2D0#t=339
Run. Hide. Fight.
Produced by the City of Houston.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VcSwejU2D0#t=339
Matt Harper said:
Jon321 said:
London424 said:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/tag/weekend-shootings/ That link is a week by week summary of 1 US city.
Holy f
k!!!This thread has just made me look up the application form for owning a firearm in the UK.
If you want a rifle you have to specify a reason for wanting it, likely use etc and be a member of a club, yet ownership of a shotgun seems far easier as no reason or club membership is needed.
The only reason I can see on the form that would bar me from ownership is that I am currently under treatment for depression.
ETA that finding a referee would also be a problem as admitting to wanting to own a gun to any of my sensible friends or co workers would not be dissimilar to telling the world that you placed your pecker in a pigs mouth back in one's university days.
If you want a rifle you have to specify a reason for wanting it, likely use etc and be a member of a club, yet ownership of a shotgun seems far easier as no reason or club membership is needed.
The only reason I can see on the form that would bar me from ownership is that I am currently under treatment for depression.
ETA that finding a referee would also be a problem as admitting to wanting to own a gun to any of my sensible friends or co workers would not be dissimilar to telling the world that you placed your pecker in a pigs mouth back in one's university days.
Edited by croyde on Tuesday 6th October 23:31
La Liga said:
There doesn't appear to be any room for reasonable debate and thus no scope to make any changes that will see this consistent numbers of deaths start to reduce every year and form a downtrend.
Firearms related deaths are reducing year-on-year and have been for quite a while.
AJL308 said:
La Liga said:
There doesn't appear to be any room for reasonable debate and thus no scope to make any changes that will see this consistent numbers of deaths start to reduce every year and form a downtrend.
Firearms related deaths are reducing year-on-year and have been for quite a while.AJL308 said:
Matt Harper said:
Jon321 said:
London424 said:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/tag/weekend-shootings/ That link is a week by week summary of 1 US city.
Holy fk!!!Matt Harper said:
OpulentBob said:
Matt Harper said:
doogz said:
creampuff said:
That is an unrealistic and unachievable objective. And there is nothing unsafe about a gun to which children don't have access. I assume you don't get bothered about walking around in the United Kingdom, because there are plenty of shotguns around.
It isn't. It really isn't.My view is that whether I like it or not, if I were to be staring down the barrel of a gun, I want a response that's a little more aggressive than begging for my life. Not likely, thankfully - but a lot more likely than back home in leafy Yorkshire.
Without sounding like a stuck record, just banging-on, page after page, with "There are too many guns" and "Dumb Americans are too dumb to have guns" isn't really addressing the problem - it's just reiterating it.
The part about your wife carrying a gun made me think, though - why does she carry it?
Assuming it's for a mugging, or personal robbery or whatever it's called there. How would it go down?
If she didn't have a gun: Someone pulls a gun on her, demands her money, phone, etc. She hands it over, loses a couple of hundred dollars and they run off, and you have a bit of hassle cancelling everything and getting it reissued.
If she has a gun: Someone pulls a gun on her, demands her money, phone, etc. She reaches in her bag to hand the wallet/purse over, grabs her gun pulls it out, and then IF she's quick enough to get it cocked, unsafetied, and then aimed, she might get a shot off - but either way SOMEONE is going to go down, most likely the person fumbling around. It would be quicker to keep a cocked gun on her belt, in her waistband, surely, and then get all Texas Pete, but it doesn't take a genius to work out that is a ridiculously hazardous way to carry a gun, and only then if you can outdraw whoever has got one pointing at you.
I assume you're not allowed to do a Tony Martin over there and shoot someone in the back after they've mugged you and are running off with your stuff, as you are no longer in fear for your life?
Are you allowed to pull a gun on someone if you merely suspect they are going to mug or rob you? Are you allowed to flash your gun in the street to let people know not to mess with you?
All serious questions.
vonuber said:
I cannot comprehend living in a society which is so afraid of being attacked by a 'bad guy' that they feel required to walk around armed, or keep guns around the house just in case.
It's just unbelievably bonkers.
It used to be very common for people in the UK to carry firearms for protection, I saw a copy if 'advice for female motorists' from the early part of the 20th century which included 'always carry a small revolver'. Self defence was an acceptable reason for a firearms licence until the 1950s.It's just unbelievably bonkers.
croyde said:
This thread has just made me look up the application form for owning a firearm in the UK.
If you want a rifle you have to specify a reason for wanting it, likely use etc and be a member of a club, yet ownership of a shotgun seems far easier as no reason or club membership is needed.
The only reason I can see on the form that would bar me from ownership is that I am currently under treatment for depression.
ETA that finding a referee would also be a problem as admitting to wanting to own a gun to any of my sensible friends or co workers would not be dissimilar to telling the world that you placed your pecker in a pigs mouth back in one's university days.
If you work someplace with a fair number of employees chances are someone does or has taken part in clays shooting, it is not an uncommon activity and a perfectly good reason to own a shotgun.If you want a rifle you have to specify a reason for wanting it, likely use etc and be a member of a club, yet ownership of a shotgun seems far easier as no reason or club membership is needed.
The only reason I can see on the form that would bar me from ownership is that I am currently under treatment for depression.
ETA that finding a referee would also be a problem as admitting to wanting to own a gun to any of my sensible friends or co workers would not be dissimilar to telling the world that you placed your pecker in a pigs mouth back in one's university days.
Edited by croyde on Tuesday 6th October 23:31
You might think that the clip below is a Saturday Night Live spoof, but, er, it isn't. It's a marketing video produced by a "badass" rifle manufacturer.
Once upon a time, cigarettes were advertised as cool and glamorous, and the tagline was "smoking helps you score hot chicks yay". That has changed, and now cigs may have to be in plain packs or have pictures of tumours on the pack. Maybe guns could be sold accompanied by pictures of a pile of schoolkids shot in the face.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbMdPStxD10
Once upon a time, cigarettes were advertised as cool and glamorous, and the tagline was "smoking helps you score hot chicks yay". That has changed, and now cigs may have to be in plain packs or have pictures of tumours on the pack. Maybe guns could be sold accompanied by pictures of a pile of schoolkids shot in the face.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbMdPStxD10
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 7th October 10:29
Dr Jekyll said:
vonuber said:
I cannot comprehend living in a society which is so afraid of being attacked by a 'bad guy' that they feel required to walk around armed, or keep guns around the house just in case.
It's just unbelievably bonkers.
It used to be very common for people in the UK to carry firearms for protection, I saw a copy if 'advice for female motorists' from the early part of the 20th century which included 'always carry a small revolver'. Self defence was an acceptable reason for a firearms licence until the 1950s.It's just unbelievably bonkers.
OpulentBob said:
WinstonWolf said:
AJL308 said:
WinstonWolf said:
It's already been suggested...
No it hasn't.
Interesting piece on parents asking other parents if they have guns in the house, should their children go on a (shudder) "play-date".
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34384757
One line stands out:
"It's a sensitive situation, because most gun people don't want to advertise how they're armed, especially in their own home, and everybody tends to think they're the safest, smartest parent or gun owner. You try to keep it pretty vague and casual,"
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34384757
One line stands out:
"It's a sensitive situation, because most gun people don't want to advertise how they're armed, especially in their own home, and everybody tends to think they're the safest, smartest parent or gun owner. You try to keep it pretty vague and casual,"
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