Another US Campus mass shooting.
Discussion
AJL308 said:
The girl shooting the full-auto Uzi *wasn't* properly supervised. Full-auto Uzi's simply are not suitable for children as they are too difficult to control.
The point you are missing is that accidents sometime do happen even though someone was being properly supervised or was taking all the appropriate precautions. Cycling is a potentially dangerous activity the consequences of which could be lethal yet we still allow kids to do it. Swimming can be fatal too but we also let kids do that.
Every single thing that you let kids tale part in is potentially dangerous and most are potentially lethal so do we just ban our kids from doing anything other than sitting at home watching telly and getting fat? That's not potentially lethal, after all!
Right, so girl with uzi, that was no accident? She was supervised by professional instructor. But no, let's blame lack of proper supervision for that. There are no scenarios where ownership of a gun would be a problem. I posted the picture of a girl who said that she wants a gun because she's afraid of zombies and burglars. Another one is a afraid of dinosaurs hence the answer is the gun. The point you are missing is that accidents sometime do happen even though someone was being properly supervised or was taking all the appropriate precautions. Cycling is a potentially dangerous activity the consequences of which could be lethal yet we still allow kids to do it. Swimming can be fatal too but we also let kids do that.
Every single thing that you let kids tale part in is potentially dangerous and most are potentially lethal so do we just ban our kids from doing anything other than sitting at home watching telly and getting fat? That's not potentially lethal, after all!
It's quite astonishing to what length will people go not to admit that they are selfish and not suitable to be a parent. Comparison with bikes and cars is so stupid. They don't get killed by ricocheting bicycle, they don't get killed by bumping at things at 1.2 mph. They also don't get killed if they wear protection.
Kids should play, with toys. Twenty states have their own minimum age laws controlling long gun ownership (14-21+). There are no laws prohibiting kids from owning bicycles. But you knew that.
Till hicks wake up and understand that weapons are not suitable for kids, USA will continue to have highest number of kids killed by guns per capita. And we will still have the stories of kids killed in schools. For some that is acceptable price to pay for their perceived freedom, for normal people it's not.
Breadvan72 said:
I am not admitted to practise law in the State of Texas! (Reason: do not look good in a suit and cowboy boots) Applying boggo common law principles, apparent lack of joint enterprise would mean no murder or attempted murder rap for the jackers. Joint enterprise can get you in bother, as Derek Bentley found to his cost (he did not shoot, but was engaged in a burglary with the shooter, and also said some ambiguous words - "let him have it" meaning either "give up the gun" or "shoot him to death" - while under arrest at the scene). The CPS is very hot to trot on joint enterprise these days, BTW - good for nailing gang bangers, and also ups the stats. Win win.
creampuff's truly fatuous bicylcle point is an insult even to his own level of intelligence, and that is saying something. creampuff appears now to be trolling, and may have been from the start. His niece with the gat may be a figment, to wind others up.
Come on Breadvan, you posted a picture of Jane Fonda and a mutant ninja turtle lookalike in an orange suit with a gattling gun to illustrate some of your points. You need to let me have a little fun with bicycles in return, which are actually quite risky btw. You will find various stats from various places on bicycle use, but most people would agree that motorcycling is relatively risky and travelling in a motor car is relatively safe. Motor biking is about 30 times as risky as travelling in a car. Cycling is about 15 times as risky, so still quite risky and a comparable level to motorcycling, yet something parents seem happy to let children do. The only reason cycling deaths aren't higher is that not that many people actually cycle, most preferring the convenience of a car (or an F-250 with a gunrack, 6-pack of beer in the tray and bumper sticker referring to "cold dead hands" in lieu of a car in the case of our American friends.)creampuff's truly fatuous bicylcle point is an insult even to his own level of intelligence, and that is saying something. creampuff appears now to be trolling, and may have been from the start. His niece with the gat may be a figment, to wind others up.
Edited by Breadvan72 on Thursday 8th October 18:43
Of course my niece owns a gun. I could also mention my 11-yo nephew who tried out his first AR15 recently. He liked that better than the shotgun, which he found too heavy and too much recoil.
Anyway, Texas does have a felony murder rule on the statues here. http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/...
My, layman, reading is it is applicable to all felonies, not just murder.
Edited by creampuff on Thursday 8th October 19:43
Oakey said:
Would you let an 8yr old loose with a chainsaw?
No, too dangerous. The Uzi is way too dangerous for a 9yo (in the case of the instructor shooting). It's fully automatic and has a lot of recoil. Totally unsuitable for a 9yo.
Comparing that to the single shot .22 my niece has is like comparing taking your first bicycle lesson in the safety of your backyard to taking your first bicycle lesson by riding over the Hammersmith Flyover. It is an entirely different planet of risk.
jjlynn27 said:
I posted the picture of a girl who said that she wants a gun because she's afraid of zombies and burglars. Another one is a afraid of dinosaurs hence the answer is the gun.
Interesting you mention zombies. My wife, who is British and like many Brits has been brainwa.... er has adapted to the prevalent thinking that guns are inherently dangerous in all cases, does not shoot (although she has sent me off with a packed lunch to go shooting a few times and seen me come back safely, which seems a paradox given the supposed danger of guns). Anyway even though she doesn't shoot, he does say that at the first sign of the Zombie Apocalypse coming, she will go to the range and learn to shoot. Guns are very useful when it comes to zombies. Edited by creampuff on Thursday 8th October 19:46
Breadvan72 said:
Flopsy, Mopsy, Cottontail, and Peter plan to rob McGregor's Bank. During the robbery, they are confronted by PC Squirrel Nutkin. Peter produces a gun and shoots Nutkin dead. Flopsy, Mopsy and Cottontail are not armed and did not know that Peter had a gun. Flopsy and Mopsy are in the bank with the swag when Peter shoots. Cottontail is outside at the wheel of the getaway car. Discuss the criminal liability of each of Flopsy, Mopsy, Cottontail, and Peter.
(Actual criminal law exam paper circa 1985)
is the getaway car the Jensen or the Lotus??(Actual criminal law exam paper circa 1985)
I haven't used a dremel but it seems they can spin at 30,000rpm. Looks a bit risky for an 8yo. Definitely not unsupervised.
Sway said:
Rubbish. By the time you've chopped through their neck, they've bitten you and you're f
ked.
Do you have to hack their head off? I thought you could just shoot zombies but it was vampires which were tricky to kill. ked.
Well, I'm glad the Americans can keep their sense of humour over a subject like a load of dead kids. The cold dead hands happen, in these cases, to be holding schoolbooks. But yeah, not worth bothering about. Mask the problem with sarcasm and an attempt at humour.
Yet make a joke about 9/11 and watch them cry. Different when it's them goddam Islamics, ain't it boy?
Yet make a joke about 9/11 and watch them cry. Different when it's them goddam Islamics, ain't it boy?
doogz said:
They are?
Can you provide examples?
This thread has become a parody of itself.
I'm out for lunch now, soaking up some rays in a park. On the way here, in suburban London I saw a guy walking down the street with what looked a lot like a shotgun or a rifle hanging off their shoulder in a soft case. There are a lot of guns, even in England.
creampuff said:
doogz said:
They are?
Can you provide examples?
This thread has become a parody of itself.
I'm out for lunch now, soaking up some rays in a park. On the way here, in suburban London I saw a guy walking down the street with what looked a lot like a shotgun or a rifle hanging off their shoulder in a soft case. There are a lot of guns, even in England.
williamp said:
Breadvan72 said:
Flopsy, Mopsy, Cottontail, and Peter plan to rob McGregor's Bank. During the robbery, they are confronted by PC Squirrel Nutkin. Peter produces a gun and shoots Nutkin dead. Flopsy, Mopsy and Cottontail are not armed and did not know that Peter had a gun. Flopsy and Mopsy are in the bank with the swag when Peter shoots. Cottontail is outside at the wheel of the getaway car. Discuss the criminal liability of each of Flopsy, Mopsy, Cottontail, and Peter.
(Actual criminal law exam paper circa 1985)
is the getaway car the Jensen or the Lotus??(Actual criminal law exam paper circa 1985)
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