11 into 20 goes - but no jail for her (20 year old)

[Randy Winkman]

Do people actually think it would be helpful and a good use of prison space for her to be locked up. And I don't think it necessarily equates to a 20 year old man and an 11 year old girl. The roles they each have in sexual act would be different, as would be the likely significance of the physical size/strength difference.

[GregK2]

Evolved said:

Sons father defended her saying his son was sex mad. I'm reading that as the father was and is also tapping the sitter too!

He was, says in the article

[Moonhawk]

Sugar and spice and all things nice - that's what little girls are made of.

Slugs and snails and puppy dogs tails - that's what little boys are made of.



Interesting how the reporting style on this case is different. The word "paedophile" doesn't appear anywhere in the article - yet out of the many "child sex" stories that have cropped up over the years - this case would actually seem to fit the correct definition of the term.

The only mention of the word "paedophile" anywhere on the page was in relation to another article on the Jeremy Forrest case - who is arguably not a paedophile (at least not on the basis of the evidence we have from his case). I wonder why the fact the girl in that case was willing and perhaps saw it as a status symbol was no defence in his case?

Edited by Moonhawk on Tuesday 6th October 07:52

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anonymous said:

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A thousand times this. Also don't forget it was the babysitter that was (from what we know) the instigator of sexual activity. That is taking advantage of a minor in anyone's eyes, and our first duty as a society must be to protect our children.

[s3fella]

Perhaps she should be incarcerated for a while just to punish her for such a depraved act. No matter how big, mature or sexually aware he is or thought to be, HE'S ELEVEN YEARS OLD. And she was his babysitter....AND she was having a sexual relationship with his father.

It's just a whole new level of wrong.

BTW, I think the parents / father should be answering a few questions here, also.

[Zod]

It sounds to me as if the father encouraged it. Poor kid. Idiot father and idiot babysitter.

[Foliage]

So a jury found her guilty and the judge pretty much goes against that and give her a suspended sentence, what are the conditions of the probation usually?

[anonymous-user]

The starting point for this offence is two years with a range of one to four years (for the least serious occurances).

The judge has gone below the sentencing guidelines, which is unusual, and reduced one year to six months. The suspended aspect isn't that unusual for the lowest-levels of seriousness.

otolith said:

La Liga said:

If it were the other way around it'd rape, so it's not a like for like comparison.

And if they were both male, or if the sexes were reversed without penetration?

For rape, the offender needs a penis. If not, it is the lesser offences of assault be penetration, sexual assault and sexual activity with a child would be considered.

Foliage said:

So a jury found her guilty and the judge pretty much goes against that and give her a suspended sentence, what are the conditions of the probation usually?

It never went to trial. She pleaded guilty.

Suspended sentences can be any custodial sentence from 14 days up to 2 years. She is on the sex offenders' register for 7 years which will have various conditions and restrictions.

[otolith]

La Liga said:

otolith said:

La Liga said:

If it were the other way around it'd rape, so it's not a like for like comparison.

And if they were both male, or if the sexes were reversed without penetration?

For rape, the offender needs a penis. If not, it is the lesser offences of assault be penetration, sexual assault and sexual activity with a child would be considered.

And you think a suspended six month sentence would be a likely outcome if a man had been convicted of sexual activity with a child in this situation?

[wolves_wanderer]

I bet Stuart Hall et al are furious that they didn't think of the "gagging for it" defence.

[anonymous-user]

otolith said:

La Liga said:

otolith said:

La Liga said:

If it were the other way around it'd rape, so it's not a like for like comparison.

And if they were both male, or if the sexes were reversed without penetration?

For rape, the offender needs a penis. If not, it is the lesser offences of assault be penetration, sexual assault and sexual activity with a child would be considered.

And you think a suspended six month sentence would be a likely outcome if a man had been convicted of sexual activity with a child in this situation?

I don't know. Judges have the same flaws and biases as everyone else. The sentencing guidelines help iron-out a lot of variance, but they don't create absolute consistency.

[Ian Geary]

In addition to all of the above stuff, why was an 11 year old out of school for the day, and being looked after by a baby sitter instead..?

Is that normal?

The Dad should get a £120 truant fine, though there are obviously more important parenting issues he needs to deal with first.


To the OP - I wouldn't automatically say an 11 year old boy & 20 year old girl should be sentenced in the same was as an 11 year old girl & 20 yr old man. That's too dogmatic, and wouldn't allow backgound (of which we know litte) to be taken into account.

But I think you're making a valid point, and on the face of this the sentence does look quite light, as the issue of an adult being sexually involved with someone 5 years under the age of consent is still essentially the same regardless of the sex of either the victim / protagonist.


Ian

[creampuff]

Haha. Dad describes his 11yo as "sex mad"

Reminds me of when I went to school camp, aged 11 and there were 3 of us boys sharing a tent when one of them said, "wouldn't it be good if Jodie came in here and fked us"

The sentencing does seem like it would have been quite different for 20yo man and 11yo girl.

[xjay1337]

^ hahahahhaha

They are starting young these days.

On a serious note. reverse the gender positions.
see how the courts and paper would take a different stance.

This equality bullst really does make you wonder...

[AyBee]

If she thought he was 15, did she not think it strange that a 20 year old be asked to babysit a 15 year old? Dad has blatantly stood up in court to get her out of the mess because they previously shagged and it worked.

Sex mad 11 year old? WTF?!!

[MrBarry123]

Jesus - that is fked up - she's a paedophile, no doubt.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if she has problems of some sort so whilst 20 from an actual age perspective, the boy is probably older mentally.

[otolith]

Another twenty year old Swindon paedophile abusing an 11 year old - this time, genders reversed, no physical contact, just sexting.

18 month suspended sentence.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/not-particula...

[creampuff]

AyBee said:

Sex mad 11 year old? WTF?!!

That's the one part of the story which does make sense

I remember at school at 11 all the boys were jerking it every which way.

[AyBee]

otolith said:

Another twenty year old Swindon paedophile abusing an 11 year old - this time, genders reversed, no physical contact, just sexting.

18 month suspended sentence.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/not-particula...

So 18 months suspended for sexting vs 6 months suspended for 45 seconds of fun...seems fair...

[TTwiggy]

xjay1337 said:

This equality bullst really does make you wonder...

It must make a lot of women wonder too - wonder when it might become something other than a theory.

Women are subject to inequality in almost every aspect of life. They earn less than men, have less opportunities, are overwhelmingly found in the 'victim' status in domestic violence... I could go on.

I don't see many threads on here decrying these – and other – inequalities, so I'm always intrigued by the outpourings when, very occaisionally, this inequality works in a woman's favour. You might almost think that a lot of people on here don't like women very much.