11 into 20 goes - but no jail for her (20 year old)
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TTwiggy said:
It must make a lot of women wonder too - wonder when it might become something other than a theory.
Women are subject to inequality in almost every aspect of life. They earn less than men, have less opportunities, are overwhelmingly found in the 'victim' status in domestic violence... I could go on.
I don't see many threads on here decrying these – and other – inequalities, so I'm always intrigued by the outpourings when, very occaisionally, this inequality works in a woman's favour. You might almost think that a lot of people on here don't like women very much.
You really are a complete clown.Women are subject to inequality in almost every aspect of life. They earn less than men, have less opportunities, are overwhelmingly found in the 'victim' status in domestic violence... I could go on.
I don't see many threads on here decrying these – and other – inequalities, so I'm always intrigued by the outpourings when, very occaisionally, this inequality works in a woman's favour. You might almost think that a lot of people on here don't like women very much.
thelawnet1 said:
For the specific act (penetrative sex), the guideline is actually 5 year's custody, with a range of 4 to 10 year's custody.
That presumes that this is a 'A' culpability offence', which would apply given
So the sentence applied was not in the range for the specific offence committed.
It does seem to be a fairly straightforward case of sexism - she knew he was 11, as the father had told her, and she also knew that it's illegal to have sex with 11 year olds. But because she comes across as an unthreatening female, she has got away with it.
I hope the sentence gets challanged and reviewed. the boy is a minor, a child and cannot give consent. awful message to give out if this sentence stands as weak as it is now.That presumes that this is a 'A' culpability offence', which would apply given
- Significant disparity in age - the judge appears to argue that there was none, given the victim's maturity.
- Abuse of trust "‘Abuse of position of trust’ has been previously discussed at page 21 but it is worth noting that for victims under the age of 13, trust arises not only from a position of formal responsibility but also from the offender’s relationship with the child, for example, a babysitter or a family friend who has been trusted to look after the child on a day out."
So the sentence applied was not in the range for the specific offence committed.
It does seem to be a fairly straightforward case of sexism - she knew he was 11, as the father had told her, and she also knew that it's illegal to have sex with 11 year olds. But because she comes across as an unthreatening female, she has got away with it.
TTwiggy said:
So why comment at all you muppet?
Because someone needed to point out how you sound like you're trying to get laid infront of a load of women. You have literally no idea, as it seems.I mean I read up to "Women can't rape men" and instantly thought you are a complete TW@
xjay1337 said:
TTwiggy said:
So why comment at all you muppet?
Because someone needed to point out how you sound like you're trying to get laid infront of a load of women. You have literally no idea, as it seems.I mean I read up to "Women can't rape men" and instantly thought you are a complete TW@
Only men commit domestic abuse?
Only men commit sex crimes?
Only men kill people?
Where do you want to stop?
xjay1337 said:
Because someone needed to point out how you sound like you're trying to get laid infront of a load of women. You have literally no idea, as it seems.
I mean I read up to "Women can't rape men" and instantly thought you are a complete TW@
Are you saying when men recognise gender inequality issues they are doing so to get laid? If so, that's an interesting view of the world. I mean I read up to "Women can't rape men" and instantly thought you are a complete TW@
I not sure what you mean when you highlight "women can't rape men", but that is true.
AyBee said:
And if you head over to mumsnet, you'll probably find the complete opposite of here because the demographic here is mainly male and the demographic over there is mainly female. The problem I have with gender equality is that equality should mean equal in all respects, not just equal in those respects to which we feel we might like them. You can't honestly tell me, that if the genders were turned on their head in this scenario, that the result would be the same...
Exactly:- How many mumsnet threads are there agreeing with equality in the state retirement age?
- What about calls for equality in the refuse collection industry.
- How many threads decrying the lack of male primary school teachers?
- Have there been any threads calling for a ban on women only golf clubs - or calls for the WI to be renamed to be more gender neutral and opened up to male members?
- Is there a massive mumsnet outcry due to the inequality between men and women in custody battles?
- Does mumsnet think "something" need to be done about the fact that females in their 20s now earn more than men of the same age - or what about the fact that males underperform in school compared to their female peers?
Father has sex with not too bright 20 year old.
Not too bright 20 year old then repeats the sexual activity she had with the father with his 11 year old son.
Isn't it kids doing sex or simulating sex with younger kids something that happens when they've previously been doing sex with someone older, like when they've been sexually abused or groomed?
The whole situation is pretty grim.
Not too bright 20 year old then repeats the sexual activity she had with the father with his 11 year old son.
Isn't it kids doing sex or simulating sex with younger kids something that happens when they've previously been doing sex with someone older, like when they've been sexually abused or groomed?
The whole situation is pretty grim.
Moonhawk said:
A 20 year old is considered a "kid" these days?
The judge says she's immature. Some have used the term 'simpleton'.Taking advantage of someone that's not too bright reminds me of this:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/depraved-care...
carinaman said:
Isn't it kids doing sex or simulating sex with younger kids something that happens when they've previously been doing sex with someone older, like when they've been sexually abused or groomed?
Very much so, yes. Such behaviour is often due to previous or ongoing abuse. Social Services should be all over this with bells on.carinaman said:
Moonhawk said:
A 20 year old is considered a "kid" these days?
The judge says she's immature. Some have used the term 'simpleton'.Taking advantage of someone that's not too bright reminds me of this:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/depraved-care...
If not then why has her mental age been used to defend her from sexual assault on the boy of 11?
Edited by superlightr on Thursday 8th October 10:05
Now the mother pipes up.
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/13812345._He___s_not_sex_mad__he___s_11____mum_of_boy_abused_by_Jade_Hatt_speaks_out/
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/13812345._He___s_not_sex_mad__he___s_11____mum_of_boy_abused_by_Jade_Hatt_speaks_out/
littlegreenfairy said:
Now the mother pipes up.
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/13812345._He___s_not_sex_mad__he___s_11____mum_of_boy_abused_by_Jade_Hatt_speaks_out/
I have heard that The Jeremy Kyle Show is thinking of setting up a permanent production office in Swindon, they just can't decide between Park North, Park South, Pinehurst or Penhill.http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/13812345._He___s_not_sex_mad__he___s_11____mum_of_boy_abused_by_Jade_Hatt_speaks_out/
littlegreenfairy said:
Now the mother pipes up.
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/13812345._He___s_not_sex_mad__he___s_11____mum_of_boy_abused_by_Jade_Hatt_speaks_out/
[quote]Jade is only a few years younger than me, and just because someone is immature for their age does not make it okay.http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/13812345._He___s_not_sex_mad__he___s_11____mum_of_boy_abused_by_Jade_Hatt_speaks_out/
superlightr said:
Interesting angle. If the girl was 'simple' and thus had a mental age closer to the boy of 11 then to her true age then could the Father who had sex with her have sexually assalted her becasue she could not give informed/valid consent due to her 'simple' nature?
If not then why has her mental age been used to defend her from sexual assault on the boy of 11?
He said she was immature, not that she was lacking capacity or anything else which would render her unable to give consent to the father. If not then why has her mental age been used to defend her from sexual assault on the boy of 11?
La Liga said:
superlightr said:
Interesting angle. If the girl was 'simple' and thus had a mental age closer to the boy of 11 then to her true age then could the Father who had sex with her have sexually assalted her becasue she could not give informed/valid consent due to her 'simple' nature?
If not then why has her mental age been used to defend her from sexual assault on the boy of 11?
He said she was immature, not that she was lacking capacity or anything else which would render her unable to give consent to the father. If not then why has her mental age been used to defend her from sexual assault on the boy of 11?
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