Will you still vote leave if Cameron does negotiate a deal
Poll: Will you still vote leave if Cameron does negotiate a deal
Total Members Polled: 223
Discussion
Out out out. Get the f
k out. Maybe we'd be the trailblazers in bringing down the whole stinking corrupt lot. fk the EU, their commission and the whole lot of them in Brussels.
My ideal endgame would be for the whole lot to be disbanded and this wholly inappropriate drain on resources wiped off the planet. But at least if we are out, we're not contributing to it.
k out. Maybe we'd be the trailblazers in bringing down the whole stinking corrupt lot. fk the EU, their commission and the whole lot of them in Brussels.My ideal endgame would be for the whole lot to be disbanded and this wholly inappropriate drain on resources wiped off the planet. But at least if we are out, we're not contributing to it.
hornetrider said:
Out out out. Get the fk out. Maybe we'd be the trailblazers in bringing down the whole stinking corrupt lot. fk the EU, their commission and the whole lot of them in Brussels.
My ideal endgame would be for the whole lot to be disbanded and this wholly inappropriate drain on resources wiped off the planet. But at least if we are out, we're not contributing to it.
Not quite made your mind up then? k out. Maybe we'd be the trailblazers in bringing down the whole stinking corrupt lot. fk the EU, their commission and the whole lot of them in Brussels.My ideal endgame would be for the whole lot to be disbanded and this wholly inappropriate drain on resources wiped off the planet. But at least if we are out, we're not contributing to it.
I guess it's possible to get the right deal but as said, about as likely a a Pork Farms aero display team, so in all likelihood I will vote out.
The thing is that any "deal" or "renogotiation" is really just going to be lies, smoke and mirrors. I doubt there'll be anything.
But I think the whole idea will be to say "look what I've renegotiated" and so no referendum.
There's a lot of "it'll be a close result" type of stuff going about, however I think and always have that it will be 70% voting "out".
But I think the whole idea will be to say "look what I've renegotiated" and so no referendum.
There's a lot of "it'll be a close result" type of stuff going about, however I think and always have that it will be 70% voting "out".
Amazing that there are people who think there's some utopia outside of the EU.
As if immigration will stop. As if some of the obscure rules that Brussels lays down won't be picked up instead by British lawmakers. As if any EU financial contribution won't just get spent instead on more outreach workers here.
As if immigration will stop. As if some of the obscure rules that Brussels lays down won't be picked up instead by British lawmakers. As if any EU financial contribution won't just get spent instead on more outreach workers here.
I think the penny is starting to drop with people in that Cameron's attempts to do any meaningful 'deal' will be nothing short of pointless in as much as it will not even breath on the major gripes that many have with the EU.
The EU have stated time and time again that no single nation has the power to override the decisions made by the other members. Also that they are unwilling to negotiate anything regarding giving back sovereignty powers that nations have handed to the EU.
The whole exercise of negotiating is nothing more that a public relations prank in which Cameron will set the negotiations bar very low so that he may achieve a couple of meaningless concessions, in order that he can come back and attempt to state that Britain has achieved a 'deal'.
A 'deal' of nothing at the end of the day.
I will still vote for a party that is committed to leaving the clutches of EU power and return the UK back to a fully sovereign nation that has full power to deal with its own affairs.
The tories are not that party at the moment.
The EU have stated time and time again that no single nation has the power to override the decisions made by the other members. Also that they are unwilling to negotiate anything regarding giving back sovereignty powers that nations have handed to the EU.
The whole exercise of negotiating is nothing more that a public relations prank in which Cameron will set the negotiations bar very low so that he may achieve a couple of meaningless concessions, in order that he can come back and attempt to state that Britain has achieved a 'deal'.
A 'deal' of nothing at the end of the day.
I will still vote for a party that is committed to leaving the clutches of EU power and return the UK back to a fully sovereign nation that has full power to deal with its own affairs.
The tories are not that party at the moment.
oyster said:
Amazing that there are people who think there's some utopia outside of the EU.
As if immigration will stop. As if some of the obscure rules that Brussels lays down won't be picked up instead by British lawmakers. As if any EU financial contribution won't just get spent instead on more outreach workers here.
There's a subtle difference between 'Utopia' and 'a bit less sAs if immigration will stop. As if some of the obscure rules that Brussels lays down won't be picked up instead by British lawmakers. As if any EU financial contribution won't just get spent instead on more outreach workers here.
t', both are positive however.TurboHatchback said:
There's a subtle difference between 'Utopia' and 'a bit less st', both are positive however.
Quite. It would be quite nice however to remove an entirely unnecessary layer of bureaucracy at the top of the food chain which sucks billions out of frontline public services across Europe.t', both are positive however.oyster said:
Amazing that there are people who think there's some utopia outside of the EU.
As if immigration will stop. As if some of the obscure rules that Brussels lays down won't be picked up instead by British lawmakers. As if any EU financial contribution won't just get spent instead on more outreach workers here.
Who are these people?As if immigration will stop. As if some of the obscure rules that Brussels lays down won't be picked up instead by British lawmakers. As if any EU financial contribution won't just get spent instead on more outreach workers here.
I've not heard of out campaigners promising utopia. Immigration needn't and shouldn't stop. Lawmakers outside the EU will still seek to improve and adapt with society. Outside the EU governments still waste money.
The out/leave campaign could succeed in bringing all these issues back within UK control. Control of immigration is achievable outside the EU. The system of lawmaking in the UK has lost primacy to an inferior system. Governments that waste money may not get re-elected, whilst the EU accounts cannot pass their own audits. There is a democratic deficit in the EU compared to the UK which results in the vote or voice of citizens being of variable worth across the EU.
Finally as Hollande pointed out to Farage in the EP, staying in the EU isn't a vote for the status quo, it's a vote for ever closer political union.
Leaving won't mean utopia, but it could be an improvement. Would the UK join the EU now - it seems unlikely. Why stay in an abusive relationship because you might not get a perfect one?
Dog Star said:
The thing is that any "deal" or "renogotiation" is really just going to be lies, smoke and mirrors. I doubt there'll be anything.
But I think the whole idea will be to say "look what I've renegotiated" and so no referendum.
There's a lot of "it'll be a close result" type of stuff going about, however I think and always have that it will be 70% voting "out".
We are having a referendum, that's not in doubt.But I think the whole idea will be to say "look what I've renegotiated" and so no referendum.
There's a lot of "it'll be a close result" type of stuff going about, however I think and always have that it will be 70% voting "out".
BJG1 said:
We are having a referendum, that's not in doubt.
The referendum promise was made by Cameron saying if he is Prime Minister.. he's already suggested he might not run a full term. Until the referendum happens it's not a certainty in the same way that we are having a renegotiation. Without seeing a result or evidence it's just words.
So long as we're still party to the Treaties of European Union (Rome, Maastricht, Amsterdam, Lisbon) then we're part of a country called Europe. There's absolutely no chance of getting a single reform in any of these treaties as has been made perfectly clear, so a few temporary opt outs here and there will not sway me in the slightest. I will be voting to leave.
Whilst I have two feet firmly in the 'out' camp, I currently work for a company who's head office is in belgium, and we currently enjoy flexible workig relationships with sites in Germany, Italy and Poland.
Before committing pen to paper on my vote I want to understand how our current arrangment would continue.
Before committing pen to paper on my vote I want to understand how our current arrangment would continue.
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