Junior Doctor's contracts petition
Discussion
abucd4 said:
In the interests of absolute disclosure I'm not willing to get into a battle here. I'm simply offering my insight into the lives of three Junior doctors I know, all based on Merseyside, all facing the same issues on a daily basis.
I'm keen to understand the genuine issues too (and not be distracted by some ridiculous claims about the 'NHS being sold to the highest bidder etc etc).
sidicks said:
jjlynn27 said:
What is 'large increase in NHS contributions'? The general population doesn't have a choice really, it will pay more for the health service. The only question is the way of paying for the services, and how much more.
The 'general population' thinks that 'someone else' should pay.jjltnn27 said:
Or that 72% of bankruptcies are by people who actually have private health insurance. Would general population have a problem with a system where 10 million people (adjusted for population figures) are struggling to pay medical bills or resorting to skipping prescription medicine because they can't afford them.
I'd, for one, have a problem with system like that, even for the system that delivers the best care, let alone worst.
Straw man argument - no-one is suggesting that is the sort of approach the UK system should move to.I'd, for one, have a problem with system like that, even for the system that delivers the best care, let alone worst.
jjlynn27 said:
Your posts are getting more bizarre every day. What argument? That was a question, not an argument. It was my own musing inspired by voyds9 post, which was almost as predictable as all of yours are.
As ever, it was a ridiculous 'question', designed to pretend that people that don't think the same as you must instead take a polar opposite view.sidicks said:
IanA2 said:
For all you armchair Captains of Industry who think that Hunt et all are dealing fairly with these medical upstarts, here's the opinion of a real-life Captain of Industry, Sir Hossein Yassie
Who is this aimed at?One single tweet fixes all...
sidicks said:
jjlynn27 said:
Your posts are getting more bizarre every day. What argument? That was a question, not an argument. It was my own musing inspired by voyds9 post, which was almost as predictable as all of yours are.
As ever, it was a ridiculous question, designed to pretend that people that don't think the same as you must instead take a polar opposite view.And by the way, don't bother with my invitation to come back to me in five years about the impending sell off of our health service. My assessment of your position is that even if every health clinic/service in the country was sold off and run by XYZ Corporation (keeping the nation healthy) Unlimited, you'd still maintain it hadn't been sold off.
IanA2 said:
@sickdicks: Just scanned a few of your posts on other topics. It's clear you're hard wired to HMG's spin doctor promulgation machine. Fine, and if you ever get really sick, just swallow their snake oil, I'm sure it will work.
Perhaps you'd like to support that claim with some quotes, as you have apparently got things very wrong.IanA2 said:
And by the way, don't bother with my invitation to come back to me in five years about the impending sell off of our health service. My assessment of your position is that even if every health clinic/service in the country was sold off and run by XYZ Corporation (keeping the nation healthy) Unlimited, you'd still maintain it hadn't been sold off.
As ever, your assessment is so wide of the mark to be laughable.Still waiting for the figures regarding the privatisation of the NHS, in particular:
The current level of private involvement in services
How this changed under Labour
How this changed under the Coalition
How this has changed under the latest Tory government and their plans to progress this?
The details of the Tory manifesto regarding privatisation of the NHS
etc
sidicks said:
As ever, it was a ridiculous 'question', designed to pretend that people that don't think the same as you must instead take a polar opposite view.
You can't even figure out the wording that was used was from the post being replied to. Please don't try to understand what are my questions 'designed' to do. If you have something constructive to add, do it. Every single thread about public workers; teachers, doctors or whatever, you always post the same, ill informed bulls
t about savings and how things work in real world. Always the same.jjlynn27 said:
You can't even figure out the wording that was used was from the post being replied to. Please don't try to understand what are my questions 'designed' to do.
If you have something constructive to add, do it. Every single thread about public workers; teachers, doctors or whatever, you always post the same, ill informed bullst about savings and how things work in real world. Always the same.
If you have something constructive to add, do it. Every single thread about public workers; teachers, doctors or whatever, you always post the same, ill informed bulls
t about savings and how things work in real world. Always the same.
jjlynn27 said:
You can't even figure out the wording that was used was from the post being replied to. Please don't try to understand what are my questions 'designed' to do.
If you have something constructive to add, do it.
Pot, kettle black.If you have something constructive to add, do it.
I've repeated asked for people to post genuine information about the topic under discussion rather than ignorant rhetoric that is demonstrably false.
Guess which side you are supporting...
jjlynn27 said:
Every single thread about public workers; teachers, doctors or whatever, you always post the same, ill informed bullst about savings and how things work in real world. Always the same.
More nonsense from you and repeated failure to understand that the costs of the public sector cannot be ignored however much you choose to do so.t about savings and how things work in real world. Always the same.g3org3y said:
From reading various NHS related threads in recent months, I'd say that jjlynn27 is one of the most knowledgeable and informed posters on these matters.
He's clearly totally uninformed when it comes to his claims about what I've previously posted on these topics and in particular on the cost of the NHS and employee benefits, which is what I comment on.sidicks said:
g3org3y said:
From reading various NHS related threads in recent months, I'd say that jjlynn27 is one of the most knowledgeable and informed posters on these matters.
He's clearly totally uninformed when it comes to his claims about what I've previously posted on these topics and in particular on the cost of the NHS and employee benefits, which is what I comment on.So is a recent Conservative Health Minister also uninformed? Cast your eyes over this:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/...
And now I really am out. The level of ignorance and blindness being displayed by some on this topic is quite astounding.
IanA2 said:
Hunt et al are intending to carve up the health service and sell it off. That's what I meant in an earlier post when I said they want to shut they NHS down.
Everyone normal would read exactly that from your comment. The 'straw-man' needs to find something to be angry about. As before, quite predictable. abucd4 said:
sidicks said:
Who is calling them 'money grabbing'?
I'm thinking of cuts in terms of how many fewer staff are on the wards now compared to when she started training 6 years ago, there has been a distinct drop in the levels of staffing.sidicks said:
Please can you outline how much NHS spending has decreased in the last few years?
abucd4- I notice you didn't answer this question when you inaccurately made the comments above. Do you have an answer or are the facts inconvenient?
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