Junior Doctor's contracts petition
Discussion
Randy Winkman said:
IanA2 said:
loafer123 said:
I do not know who is fibbing, but one side must be as the BMA allege more hours for less pay whilst the government say less hours for the same pay.
Which is it?
Have a guess, one lot save lives, the other lot fiddle their expenses...go on, give it a stab.Which is it?
jjlynn27 said:
Stevanos said:
I'm not sure I will get a unbiased set of facts from the BBC.
Why are they not allowed to negotiate individually? What about the ones that are not members of trade unions?
Why are doctors not allowed to negotiate individually? Is that a serious question? Why are they not allowed to negotiate individually? What about the ones that are not members of trade unions?
Randy Winkman said:
IanA2 said:
loafer123 said:
I do not know who is fibbing, but one side must be as the BMA allege more hours for less pay whilst the government say less hours for the same pay.
Which is it?
Have a guess, one lot save lives, the other lot fiddle their expenses...go on, give it a stab.Which is it?
Why is that a bad thing?
Patent said:
How do you increase the service on the weekend without paying for it or increasing numbers of staff to do it?
Pay the existing staff less and get them to work more? Or Invest in the service?
Let's hazard a guess as to which path Jeremy is following?
You pay them less for weekend overtime and more for weekday hours, so they earn the same.Pay the existing staff less and get them to work more? Or Invest in the service?
Let's hazard a guess as to which path Jeremy is following?
At least that is what the Health Secretary said this morning.
jjlynn27 said:
This person is in charge of NHS.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/08/je...
I'm sure glad that there is money for 'as many studies as necessary into homeopathy'.
Not so sure he's "in charge" any more. Looks to be losing his grip. In any case it's Simon Stevens who's really in charge.http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/08/je...
I'm sure glad that there is money for 'as many studies as necessary into homeopathy'.
On the homeopathy stuff my guess is that Hunt was getting his ear bashed by Treddinick who's aways banging on about this stuff. He probably finds it difficult to whack it straight back as HRH Charlie 's a strong proponent of mystical stuff. Iirc most CCG's have said no to this stuff.
loafer123 said:
Patent said:
How do you increase the service on the weekend without paying for it or increasing numbers of staff to do it?
Pay the existing staff less and get them to work more? Or Invest in the service?
Let's hazard a guess as to which path Jeremy is following?
You pay them less for weekend overtime and more for weekday hours, so they earn the same.Pay the existing staff less and get them to work more? Or Invest in the service?
Let's hazard a guess as to which path Jeremy is following?
At least that is what the Health Secretary said this morning.
loafer123 said:
Patent said:
How do you increase the service on the weekend without paying for it or increasing numbers of staff to do it?
Pay the existing staff less and get them to work more? Or Invest in the service?
Let's hazard a guess as to which path Jeremy is following?
You pay them less for weekend overtime and more for weekday hours, so they earn the same.Pay the existing staff less and get them to work more? Or Invest in the service?
Let's hazard a guess as to which path Jeremy is following?
At least that is what the Health Secretary said this morning.
In essence the new contract results in a pay cut.....
Stevanos said:
IanA2 said:
There are 1.3 M folks employed by the NHS. Individual negotiations might eat up a fair bit of time.
But doctors are quite senior? They seriously don't have the option to negotiate their contracts on their own?Patent said:
loafer123 said:
Patent said:
How do you increase the service on the weekend without paying for it or increasing numbers of staff to do it?
Pay the existing staff less and get them to work more? Or Invest in the service?
Let's hazard a guess as to which path Jeremy is following?
You pay them less for weekend overtime and more for weekday hours, so they earn the same.Pay the existing staff less and get them to work more? Or Invest in the service?
Let's hazard a guess as to which path Jeremy is following?
At least that is what the Health Secretary said this morning.
In essence the new contract results in a pay cut.....
So, if they work less during the week and work more at weekends, but overall get paid the same, the problem must be that they don't want to be rota'ed for unsocial hours without being paid extra rate overtime for it? Is that right?
loafer123 said:
Just to be clear, I really have no axe to grind here, I just want to understand the issues.
So, if they work less during the week and work more at weekends, but overall get paid the same, the problem must be that they don't want to be rota'ed for unsocial hours without being paid extra rate overtime for it? Is that right?
It's really quite complicated but some of the issues are:So, if they work less during the week and work more at weekends, but overall get paid the same, the problem must be that they don't want to be rota'ed for unsocial hours without being paid extra rate overtime for it? Is that right?
1) Is the increased mortality rate at the weekend due to less doctors working at the weekend?
2) if you increase doctor numbers at the weekend who does the work during the week?
3) not all doctors provide the emergency service. Should a doctor who works more weekdays and less nights be paid more than a doctor who works more unsociable hours?
4) what is the definition of sociable hours?
5) there has been no negotiation on these issues. The contract is to be imposed.
6) modelling of the proposed contract results in more hours worked for a 15 - 30% pay cut! Who in their right mind is going to agree to that?
TheEnd said:
I thought the main thing was not going to be classing Saturdays as overtime and paying extra for it.
Seems fair to me.
Do you honestly think it's as simple as that? There are tens of thousands of Juniors on the streets today, they are fighting for the NHS itself. Medics are almost impossible to stir into action. Hunt has managed it, Hunt wants to shut the NHS down and reducing the wage-bill is a classic strategy when plumping up an asset for sale. Seems fair to me.
Read my first post and ask yourself if you'd want a loved one treated by a medic who hasn't
seen their bed for three days.
Patent said:
loafer123 said:
Just to be clear, I really have no axe to grind here, I just want to understand the issues.
So, if they work less during the week and work more at weekends, but overall get paid the same, the problem must be that they don't want to be rota'ed for unsocial hours without being paid extra rate overtime for it? Is that right?
It's really quite complicated but some of the issues are:So, if they work less during the week and work more at weekends, but overall get paid the same, the problem must be that they don't want to be rota'ed for unsocial hours without being paid extra rate overtime for it? Is that right?
1) Is the increased mortality rate at the weekend due to less doctors working at the weekend?
2) if you increase doctor numbers at the weekend who does the work during the week?
3) not all doctors provide the emergency service. Should a doctor who works more weekdays and less nights be paid more than a doctor who works more unsociable hours?
4) what is the definition of sociable hours?
5) there has been no negotiation on these issues. The contract is to be imposed.
6) modelling of the proposed contract results in more hours worked for a 15 - 30% pay cut! Who in their right mind is going to agree to that?
IanA2 said:
Do you honestly think it's as simple as that? There are tens of thousands of Juniors on the streets today, they are fighting for the NHS itself. Medics are almost impossible to stir into action. Hunt has managed it, Hunt wants to shut the NHS down and reducing the wage-bill is a classic strategy when plumping up an asset for sale.
Nonsense like this doesn't help your case.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff