Junior Doctor's contracts petition
Discussion
crankedup said:
The pity for you and your ilk is that you work behind a boring desk and see only numbers on a computer screen. To throw a minor jibe at forum posters seems to be a highlight of your sad day!
Once again you demonstrate your ignorance.The trouble with you is you have no relevant experience or expertise and simply reply on cherry-picked information sources to support your prejudices. As evidenced time and time again.
sidicks said:
crankedup said:
The pity for you and your ilk is that you work behind a boring desk and see only numbers on a computer screen. To throw a minor jibe at forum posters seems to be a highlight of your sad day!
Once again you demonstrate your ignorance.The trouble with you is you have no relevant experience or expertise and simply reply on cherry-picked information sources to support your prejudices. As evidenced time and time again.
Just my way of getting back on the thread subject, you understand don't you.
I think the "public support" is waning for this nonsense strike now.
Last week when they were off, they were camped outside the hospital with their Blue Peter banners and most cars rolling past in traffic were showing their displeasure, lots of thumbs down being waved out of windows of passing cars and worse gestures. Certainly far more common than was the case a few of months ago.
Last week when they were off, they were camped outside the hospital with their Blue Peter banners and most cars rolling past in traffic were showing their displeasure, lots of thumbs down being waved out of windows of passing cars and worse gestures. Certainly far more common than was the case a few of months ago.
poo at Paul's said:
I think the "public support" is waning for this nonsense strike now.
Last week when they were off, they were camped outside the hospital with their Blue Peter banners and most cars rolling past in traffic were showing their displeasure, lots of thumbs down being waved out of windows of passing cars and worse gestures. Certainly far more common than was the case a few of months ago.
I think you must have been at a different hospitals to most others then. I was with my mother seeing the oncologist on the Wednesday and the steady stream of cars tooting support and people bringing cakes and coffee for those on the picket was lovely to see. The public support has not dropped according to all the poles, in spite of all negative press reports. Last week when they were off, they were camped outside the hospital with their Blue Peter banners and most cars rolling past in traffic were showing their displeasure, lots of thumbs down being waved out of windows of passing cars and worse gestures. Certainly far more common than was the case a few of months ago.
I hope this ends soon and some sense prevails but my fear is that someone was told to make good headlines today as elections were on. In 5 days time it will be back to normal, lies and spin from the DOH.
This morning they said there was no way they could stop the imposition, an hour later they could another mistruth?
poo at Paul's said:
I think the "public support" is waning for this nonsense strike now.
Last week when they were off, they were camped outside the hospital with their Blue Peter banners and most cars rolling past in traffic were showing their displeasure, lots of thumbs down being waved out of windows of passing cars and worse gestures. Certainly far more common than was the case a few of months ago.
That's not the situation that I witnessed in my home town hospital. Plenty of public support, and this is a very Tory oriented area.Last week when they were off, they were camped outside the hospital with their Blue Peter banners and most cars rolling past in traffic were showing their displeasure, lots of thumbs down being waved out of windows of passing cars and worse gestures. Certainly far more common than was the case a few of months ago.
poo at Paul's said:
I think the "public support" is waning for this nonsense strike now.
Last week when they were off, they were camped outside the hospital with their Blue Peter banners and most cars rolling past in traffic were showing their displeasure, lots of thumbs down being waved out of windows of passing cars and worse gestures. Certainly far more common than was the case a few of months ago.
It doesn't look to be the case. I'd find it unlikely that a well regarded group like doctors, would ever be supported less than a generally untrusted group like politicians. Infact politicians are down with bankers and journalists as the least trusted professions. Whilst, doctors are at the top. Last week when they were off, they were camped outside the hospital with their Blue Peter banners and most cars rolling past in traffic were showing their displeasure, lots of thumbs down being waved out of windows of passing cars and worse gestures. Certainly far more common than was the case a few of months ago.
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/re...
Sounds like confirmation bias. You called the strike nonsense, showing you're against it, then let that taint your perception of public support.
el stovey said:
poo at Paul's said:
I think the "public support" is waning for this nonsense strike now.
Last week when they were off, they were camped outside the hospital with their Blue Peter banners and most cars rolling past in traffic were showing their displeasure, lots of thumbs down being waved out of windows of passing cars and worse gestures. Certainly far more common than was the case a few of months ago.
It doesn't look to be the case. I'd find it unlikely that a well regarded group like doctors, would ever be supported less than a generally untrusted group like politicians. Last week when they were off, they were camped outside the hospital with their Blue Peter banners and most cars rolling past in traffic were showing their displeasure, lots of thumbs down being waved out of windows of passing cars and worse gestures. Certainly far more common than was the case a few of months ago.
There are many people still in support of JDs including those with cancelled appointments, but in terms of growing resentment the following are specific examples specifically chosen to illustrate the way mood is changing as described by p at P.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36127641
BBC web article dated 26 April said:
Barry Edwards: 'Losing public support'
Following open heart surgery, I was due to have a further follow-up appointment and scan with my consultant on Wednesday.
This has now been rearranged.
I am left in a situation of not knowing if my medication is appropriate, if I am on the mend and recovering as I should.
I am unsure if I can return to work as normal, and I cannot go on holiday abroad until allowed to do so.
Whilst I am totally supportive of the hospital and staff who have "repaired" me, and forever grateful, I do not support the strike and believe the BMA [British Medical Association] are amateurish in their dealing with the government.
They do not understand that in negotiations neither side gets what it wants.
They are losing public support and, indeed, for me, have lost the fight.
Following open heart surgery, I was due to have a further follow-up appointment and scan with my consultant on Wednesday.
This has now been rearranged.
I am left in a situation of not knowing if my medication is appropriate, if I am on the mend and recovering as I should.
I am unsure if I can return to work as normal, and I cannot go on holiday abroad until allowed to do so.
Whilst I am totally supportive of the hospital and staff who have "repaired" me, and forever grateful, I do not support the strike and believe the BMA [British Medical Association] are amateurish in their dealing with the government.
They do not understand that in negotiations neither side gets what it wants.
They are losing public support and, indeed, for me, have lost the fight.
The same beeb website article also said:
John Butt: 'A lot of damage'
Last time I had a pre-op for prostate, the junior doctors went on strike.
I saw men crying because their operations were being cancelled.
This time, they didn't tell me it had been cancelled because of the strikes - but I am putting two and two together.
Junior doctors do not seem to care about what they are doing to the NHS.
They are doing a lot of damage.
Time is important for me.
I am on hormone treatment, so my cancer should be kept steady.
My sister was a matron.
She would never have tolerated this.
You don't walk out of the NHS.
We feel they do not particularly care.
It is more about politics than health.
It is OK to have a go at Jeremy Hunt, but they have to put the patients first.
There have to be alternatives to going on strike.
When these accounts are read by those not involved directly it's bound to have an effect on some. The support for JDs strike action isn't growing in my view and I agree with p at P that it's falling away.Last time I had a pre-op for prostate, the junior doctors went on strike.
I saw men crying because their operations were being cancelled.
This time, they didn't tell me it had been cancelled because of the strikes - but I am putting two and two together.
Junior doctors do not seem to care about what they are doing to the NHS.
They are doing a lot of damage.
Time is important for me.
I am on hormone treatment, so my cancer should be kept steady.
My sister was a matron.
She would never have tolerated this.
You don't walk out of the NHS.
We feel they do not particularly care.
It is more about politics than health.
It is OK to have a go at Jeremy Hunt, but they have to put the patients first.
There have to be alternatives to going on strike.
el stovey said:
Sounds like confirmation bias. .
Works both ways!el stovey said:
I just quoted an ipsos nori poll, how can that be confirmation bias?
Nobody said that a poll had confirmation bias, what a strange question.You suggested p at P, maybe others (but certainly not a poll, a disembodied collection of opinions) had confirmation bias. After that, I said it works both ways because everyone is susceptible to this, including you and me, but not a poll which is not a person.
el stovey said:
You've quoted some cherry picked interviews.
Duh.Above the specifically chosen examples said:
...the following are specific examples specifically chosen to illustrate the way mood is changing...
Even so, read all the content at the link, I don't think you have. There's not much sympathy for the strike, a different matter to sympathy for JDs.Here's the link again, read the lot this time or indeed any of it
and if you already have then it doesn't show. Confirmation bias maybe http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36127641
Dixy said:
Why is public support of any relevance.
It is relevant because if the public feeling was that the Government was right, they would push on even harder and even more radically. Because in spite of the vastly superior PR spin machine at Hunts disposal, the public still understand what he wants to do is unfair and unsafe and 605 support the JD's.It is hard for many to get facts as the PR fight is one sided in favour of Hunt, if the facts were easily and accurately portrayed then support would grow further for the JD's.
spaximus said:
It is relevant because if the public feeling was that the Government was right, they would push on even harder and even more radically. Because in spite of the vastly superior PR spin machine at Hunts disposal, the public still understand what he wants to do is unfair and unsafe and 605 support the JD's.
It is hard for many to get facts as the PR fight is one sided in favour of Hunt, if the facts were easily and accurately portrayed then support would grow further for the JD's.
I think that's highly debatable.It is hard for many to get facts as the PR fight is one sided in favour of Hunt, if the facts were easily and accurately portrayed then support would grow further for the JD's.
Jockman said:
spaximus said:
It is hard for many to get facts as the PR fight is one sided in favour of Hunt, if the facts were easily and accurately portrayed then support would grow further for the JD's.
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