Junior Doctor's contracts petition
Discussion
greygoose said:
turbobloke said:
greygoose said:
turbobloke said:
numtumfutunch said:
bazza white said:
Be interesting to see the changes in the contract.
Less basic pay than the original deal and less loading for working a night shift suggests it was never about the moneyInteresting
greygoose said:
...but you have never admitted to being wrong about anything?
Ask Mrs TB.You're wrong about my view above, which you made up. It's back in the thread, it's been quoted by others, it won't go away.
Do you make stuff up about just anything?
As an approach I recommend it.
Are you somehow saying it's good to be wrong?
Anyway thanks for your high level of interest in what I post, it's appreciated.
Jockman said:
BMA were getting cold feet about the escalation in strike action proposed.
They were ripe for a deal. They need to sell it to their members now.
As a spectator, which a lot of us have been for some time, I suspect that while there will be overdoses of chutzpah in public, the private diagnostic view may well be that the BMA were lacklustre.They were ripe for a deal. They need to sell it to their members now.
turbobloke said:
greygoose said:
turbobloke said:
greygoose said:
turbobloke said:
numtumfutunch said:
bazza white said:
Be interesting to see the changes in the contract.
Less basic pay than the original deal and less loading for working a night shift suggests it was never about the moneyInteresting
greygoose said:
...but you have never admitted to being wrong about anything?
Ask Mrs TB.You're wrong about my view above, which you made up. It's back in the thread, it's been quoted by others, it won't go away.
Do you make stuff up about just anything?
As an approach I recommend it.
Are you somehow saying it's good to be wrong?
Anyway thanks for your high level of interest in what I post, it's appreciated.
turbobloke said:
el stovey said:
Obviously some of the non junior doctors, joining in the protests, are actually lefties.
A nice excuse but not realistic in the face of other evidence where a leading BMA figure likens Tory policies to Nazi propaganda. Chand, deputy chairman of the British Medical Association, is a Labour Party member and allegedly a Corbyn supporter.
BMA council member Jacky Davis, a consultant radiologist, supports Corbyn and spoke at a Jeremy Corbyn fundraiser.
It's political.
turbobloke said:
Jockman said:
BMA were getting cold feet about the escalation in strike action proposed.
They were ripe for a deal. They need to sell it to their members now.
As a spectator, which a lot of us have been for some time, I suspect that while there will be overdoses of chutzpah in public, the private diagnostic view may well be that the BMA were lacklustre.They were ripe for a deal. They need to sell it to their members now.
Jockman said:
Tbh, even JD supporters on here have not been overly zealous in the support of the BMA.
This is it. There is little appetite for striking when so many people live hand to mouth. JDs are probably like the rest of the country in that they live on the financial edge. Every strike day means money not paid. loafer123 said:
tdog7 said:
loafer123 said:
Thank you for a very interesting explanation.
How many hours would a non-A&E on-call rota be each week, on average?
Most doctors in acute specialties (including A&E) are working a time-tabled 48 hours a week on average, averaged over the length of the rota. My rota cycle lasts 7 weeks. In that 7 weeks I have to do 1 week of night shifts, and 2 weekends. There are weeks in the cycle when I will be working 90 hours in a week, and weeks when I work far less - the hospital has to give me hours back to compensate for these busy weeks so that my average doesn't go over 48. This average doesn't include any unpaid hours that are needed, such as coming in at 7am instead of 8am for example, which most doctors in surgical specialties will be required to do, as their operating list will start at 8:30am, and before that they will need to see all the elective patients for that list, as well as ensure any acute admissions are seen. So its easy to see how the average can go up to closer to 60 hours per week, and the worst weeks close to 100 hours.How many hours would a non-A&E on-call rota be each week, on average?
On the old contract, every so often, doctors had to undertake something called diary carding, where they would clock in and clock off for a 2 week period, and their pay be adjusted to the hours they are actually working. Hospitals found to be working doctors more than 48 hours a week on average would be fined. No individual doctor had to complain, and the work of the whole team was assessed. One of the things doctors fear most about the new contract is that this system is being removed. Instead there will be a trust appointed 'guardian' to whom individual doctors will have to complain if they feel they are working excess hours. This puts the onus on individual doctors to say they are having to work too hard - career suicide in medicine! It also means the 'Guardian' will have to make the decision to fine the hospital they work for, something they will undoubtedly be under pressure not to do given that the vast majority of trusts are now hugely in debt.
968 said:
voyds9 said:
I'm sure a lot of your customers and their family would be delighted to pay £3.50 per day to park.
They'd pretty annoyed as they pay £1 a day. Thanks for the interest though. Oh and they're patients, not customers. greygoose said:
968 said:
voyds9 said:
I'm sure a lot of your customers and their family would be delighted to pay £3.50 per day to park.
They'd pretty annoyed as they pay £1 a day. Thanks for the interest though. Oh and they're patients, not customers. there are allready pretty extensive fee remission provisions in place for parking for regualr attendees for treatment / limited numbers of rellies of long term or frequently admitted in-patients
turbobloke said:
dmsims said:
mph1977 said:
what should find the provision of the parking then ?
I have no idea what this meansmph1977 said:
turbobloke said:
dmsims said:
mph1977 said:
what should find the provision of the parking then ?
I have no idea what this meansJockman said:
mph1977 said:
turbobloke said:
dmsims said:
mph1977 said:
what should find the provision of the parking then ?
I have no idea what this means
London424 said:
So it is all about pay, not about patient safety? “The more I think about it the more I love our plan. Basically five weeks of headlines about juniors strikes through January and February.”
Reading this and the rest of what the BNA execs said I cant help thinking its ordinary members (and the public) have been played
williamp said:
London424 said:
So it is all about pay, not about patient safety? “The more I think about it the more I love our plan. Basically five weeks of headlines about juniors strikes through January and February.”
Reading this and the rest of what the BNA execs said I cant help thinking its ordinary members (and the public) have been played
London424 said:
Committee chair Dr Johann Malawana said drawing out the dispute was the “best solution… to impose [the contract] against our support”. Dr Malawana said he “had nothing to talk about” with the Department for Health, despite the BMA publicly calling the government to the table. He also said:“I don’t care about anything apart from extracting the best contract. Don’t give a s
t about anything else.”Nice
williamp said:
London424 said:
So it is all about pay, not about patient safety? “The more I think about it the more I love our plan. Basically five weeks of headlines about juniors strikes through January and February.”
Reading this and the rest of what the BNA execs said I cant help thinking its ordinary members (and the public) have been played
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3545631/Bo...
I imagine she already had issues, but I doubt that playing the part of a pawn in the dispute helped her.
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