Junior Doctor's contracts petition
Discussion
NoddyonNitrous said:
52% of medical graduates have left medicine after 2 years in recent research.
Does 'medical graduates' refer only to JDs and does that timescale include medics leaving before this particular dispute started? Time flies.Some jobs just don't turn out as expected...more than 40% of qualified teachers have left the profession within 12 months.
turbobloke said:
NoddyonNitrous said:
52% of medical graduates have left medicine after 2 years in recent research.
Does 'medical graduates' refer only to JDs and does that timescale include medics leaving before this particular dispute started? Time flies.Some jobs just don't turn out as expected...more than 40% of qualified teachers have left the profession within 12 months.
edh said:
turbobloke said:
NoddyonNitrous said:
52% of medical graduates have left medicine after 2 years in recent research.
Does 'medical graduates' refer only to JDs and does that timescale include medics leaving before this particular dispute started? Time flies.Some jobs just don't turn out as expected...more than 40% of qualified teachers have left the profession within 12 months.
Murph7355 said:
edh said:
Sounds like a massive waste of money & resources in both cases
Indeed. I wonder what they went on to do.
Maybe their student loans should be called in immediately on quitting.
Or maybe determine the root causes and address them?
NoddyonNitrous said:
52% of medical graduates have left medicine after 2 years in recent research.
I think that quote is massively misleading as it only refers to JD's becoming a GP or specialist.What about the 10's of thousands of Doctors not in training and on neither register; they didn't just disappear and leave medicine.
Murph7355 said:
edh said:
Yes I'm sure that would fix it....
Or maybe determine the root causes and address them?
Maybe do both. Or maybe determine the root causes and address them?
How many of the aspiring medics / teachers etc.. anticipate dropping out when they start their courses & sign up for mountains of debt?
edh said:
Murph7355 said:
edh said:
Yes I'm sure that would fix it....
Or maybe determine the root causes and address them?
Maybe do both. Or maybe determine the root causes and address them?
How many of the aspiring medics / teachers etc.. anticipate dropping out when they start their courses & sign up for mountains of debt?
barryrs said:
I think that quote is massively misleading as it only refers to JD's becoming a GP or specialist.
What about the 10's of thousands of Doctors not in training and on neither register; they didn't just disappear and leave medicine.
They can't practice medicine if not in training or on the Specialist/GP register, so effectively they have disappeared and left medicine!What about the 10's of thousands of Doctors not in training and on neither register; they didn't just disappear and leave medicine.
All I can say is that so far out of my daughters year at med school, who qualified 3 years ago, she knows of 15 who have left the NHS. Most have been offered training places in Australia or New Zealand where they can continue their training without the hassle they get here or the excessive hours, regardless of what the new contract claimed would stop.
When she is being told of how different the attitude to medics, that includes nursing staff as well, over there I can see why there is willingness to go.
My daughter has no intention of going but I could not blame her if she did based on what her friends are telling her.
Today the NHS said they were going to make funds for another 500 Dr's to be trained this year. the big but is that medical schools have to apply for the extra funds and priority will be given to those who are willing to take people from ethnic and low income areas to increase diversity.
So we do not want the best, we want to fill a PC dictate and to be honest 500 is not going to make a dent in the shortage that is rising daily.
When she is being told of how different the attitude to medics, that includes nursing staff as well, over there I can see why there is willingness to go.
My daughter has no intention of going but I could not blame her if she did based on what her friends are telling her.
Today the NHS said they were going to make funds for another 500 Dr's to be trained this year. the big but is that medical schools have to apply for the extra funds and priority will be given to those who are willing to take people from ethnic and low income areas to increase diversity.
So we do not want the best, we want to fill a PC dictate and to be honest 500 is not going to make a dent in the shortage that is rising daily.
barryrs said:
I think that quote is massively misleading as it only refers to JD's becoming a GP or specialist.
What about the 10's of thousands of Doctors not in training and on neither register; they didn't just disappear and leave medicine.
There's a breakdown in this article:What about the 10's of thousands of Doctors not in training and on neither register; they didn't just disappear and leave medicine.
http://careers.bmj.com/careers/advice/Half_of_foun...
Apparently, approx 12% of JDs leave the UK, about 15% leave medicine (temporarily or permanently), the remainder (of those not proceeding to training) mostly take non-training NHS/military/other jobs.
Edited by WatchfulEye on Wednesday 9th August 19:03
barryrs said:
It's not that clear cut, there are many roles available to an unlicensed doctor within medicine.
It is that clear cut and there are very few non career grade medics around hence we've been unable to recruit 3 vacancies for more than 3 years. Juniors go through training and either end up as GPs or hospital specialists. A tiny tiny minority do other things like pharma, forensics, or aviation/legal work.turbobloke said:
How many medics anticipate being led up the garden path by a BMA committee?
Or abused by the health secretary on the basis of spurious data into a scandalous contract that is leaving massive gaps in services nationally? I guess many didn't anticipate being criticised be people who know nothing of the actual situation.spaximus said:
All I can say is that so far out of my daughters year at med school, who qualified 3 years ago, she knows of 15 who have left the NHS. Most have been offered training places in Australia or New Zealand where they can continue their training without the hassle they get here or the excessive hours, regardless of what the new contract claimed would stop.
Hope they've read their new contracts properly and fully understand what they signed up to in exchange for the training.Some people get a bit of a shock.
barryrs said:
It's not that clear cut, there are many roles available to an unlicensed doctor within medicine.
One option is to go on The Apprentice. Though no-one tends to talk about what happened in the background of one particular person.Edited by Jonesy23 on Wednesday 9th August 19:58
barryrs said:
It's not that clear cut, there are many roles available to an unlicensed doctor within medicine.
Can you give me some examples as I'm struggling to think of any? I haven't heard of any unlicenced-but-with-medical-qualifications people working in the NHS. I have heard a (verified) story of two orthopaedic trainees at ST7 level (about to finish their 17-year training and ready to take up consultant posts) who were offered a Porsche and £800k golden hello to go and work for one of the big companies in the City - they accepted the career change This is the market that the NHS is having to compete with.
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