Junior Doctor's contracts petition
Discussion
sidicks said:
And your solution to too many doctors leaving the NHS is?
The first absolute is the sacking of Hunt, when the head of any organisation is viewed with such hostility it infects the whole.The guberment is talking of increasing the number of uni places when there key problem is one of retention, my daughter has just started as a reg, of the 250 that started at unis with her over 50 % have left the NHS. There's a hole in your bucket dear Hunt, it is pointless pouring more in at the top.
In order to pass CT2 my daughter had to fill a log book of time in surgery, because of shortages of non trainees, she had 3 choices, not give patients time they need, fail the year, work 3 plus hours a day for free. Several of her friends have failed the year, which of course means that in 5 years time they will not be graduating as consultants.
I started this whole thread because we, the users of the NHS, will feel these problems 2,3, 4 years down the road.
Dixy said:
The first absolute is the sacking of Hunt, when the head of any organisation is viewed with such hostility it infects the whole.
The guberment is talking of increasing the number of uni places when there key problem is one of retention, my daughter has just started as a reg, of the 250 that started at unis with her over 50 % have left the NHS. There's a hole in your bucket dear Hunt, it is pointless pouring more in at the top.
In order to pass CT2 my daughter had to fill a log book of time in surgery, because of shortages of non trainees, she had 3 choices, not give patients time they need, fail the year, work 3 plus hours a day for free. Several of her friends have failed the year, which of course means that in 5 years time they will not be graduating as consultants.
I started this whole thread because we, the users of the NHS, will feel these problems 2,3, 4 years down the road.
How does that compare to other professions - law for example?The guberment is talking of increasing the number of uni places when there key problem is one of retention, my daughter has just started as a reg, of the 250 that started at unis with her over 50 % have left the NHS. There's a hole in your bucket dear Hunt, it is pointless pouring more in at the top.
In order to pass CT2 my daughter had to fill a log book of time in surgery, because of shortages of non trainees, she had 3 choices, not give patients time they need, fail the year, work 3 plus hours a day for free. Several of her friends have failed the year, which of course means that in 5 years time they will not be graduating as consultants.
I started this whole thread because we, the users of the NHS, will feel these problems 2,3, 4 years down the road.
Dixy said:
The first absolute is the sacking of Hunt, when the head of any organisation is viewed with such hostility it infects the whole.
MrsA would agree with this wholeheartedly..........she has met him several times and despite her probably being the kindest person I know, she dislikes him with a passion.sidicks said:
Dixy said:
The first absolute is the sacking of Hunt, when the head of any organisation is viewed with such hostility it infects the whole.
The guberment is talking of increasing the number of uni places when there key problem is one of retention, my daughter has just started as a reg, of the 250 that started at unis with her over 50 % have left the NHS. There's a hole in your bucket dear Hunt, it is pointless pouring more in at the top.
In order to pass CT2 my daughter had to fill a log book of time in surgery, because of shortages of non trainees, she had 3 choices, not give patients time they need, fail the year, work 3 plus hours a day for free. Several of her friends have failed the year, which of course means that in 5 years time they will not be graduating as consultants.
I started this whole thread because we, the users of the NHS, will feel these problems 2,3, 4 years down the road.
How does that compare to other professions - law for example?The guberment is talking of increasing the number of uni places when there key problem is one of retention, my daughter has just started as a reg, of the 250 that started at unis with her over 50 % have left the NHS. There's a hole in your bucket dear Hunt, it is pointless pouring more in at the top.
In order to pass CT2 my daughter had to fill a log book of time in surgery, because of shortages of non trainees, she had 3 choices, not give patients time they need, fail the year, work 3 plus hours a day for free. Several of her friends have failed the year, which of course means that in 5 years time they will not be graduating as consultants.
I started this whole thread because we, the users of the NHS, will feel these problems 2,3, 4 years down the road.
Countdown said:
Law jobs are massively oversubscribed. Training contracts are like hen's teeth made from gold dust. So much so that law firms are taking the pee aye ess ess and offering unpaid internships for 3 months after which they say "Close the door on your way out...".
Yes, but the drop-out rates are...?sidicks said:
Countdown said:
Law jobs are massively oversubscribed. Training contracts are like hen's teeth made from gold dust. So much so that law firms are taking the pee aye ess ess and offering unpaid internships for 3 months after which they say "Close the door on your way out...".
Yes, but the drop-out rates are...?But we're comparing apples and oranges. There's clearly a shortage of doctors. There isn't a shortage of Lawyers. Ergo it doesn't matter how drop out rates compare with Lawyers, Accountants, or pensions advisers. we need to look at WHY so many doctors are dropping out and trying to address the issues, rather than just saying, for example "it's fine, because Lawyers drop out just as much"
Countdown said:
Well,if you'll accept anecdotal evidence it's zero. My daughter's just finished her LPC and everybody who started the course, finished. Mind you, If you've forked out £10k+ of your own money you're hardly likely to jack it in.
That's clearly not true.Countdoen said:
But we're comparing apples and oranges. There's clearly a shortage of doctors. There isn't a shortage of Lawyers. Ergo it doesn't matter how drop out rates compare with Lawyers, Accountants, or pensions advisers. we need to look at WHY so many doctors are dropping out and trying to address the issues, rather than just saying, for example "it's fine, because Lawyers drop out just as much"
Well I'm sure there is a natural rate of drop out in most professions, so it would helpful to understand what this is to determine whether the problem with doctors dropping out is significantly higher or more in line with what we'd expect.sidicks said:
Well I'm sure there is a natural rate of drop out in most professions, so it would helpful to understand what this is to determine whether the problem with doctors dropping out is significantly higher or more in line with what we'd expect.
There has certainly been a huge change in the dropout rate in medicine over the last 10 years. I would estimate it was 5% then. So by comparison with itself, it has deteriorated spectacularly.sidicks said:
Well I'm sure there is a natural rate of drop out in most professions, so it would helpful to understand what this is to determine whether the problem with doctors dropping out is significantly higher or more in line with what we'd expect.
Why would it be "helpful to understand"?There is an increasing shortage of Doctors, especially GPs. It doesn't matter if the drop-out rate is 1000% higher or 1000% lower than that of any other profession. The shortage doesn't become "acceptable" if it's less than Solicitors, or unacceptable if it's more.
So we need to look at reducing/eliminating the shortage and, as a first step, it might be useful asking those who probably know most about why their colleagues are dropping out.
NoddyonNitrous said:
There has certainly been a huge change in the dropout rate in medicine over the last 10 years. I would estimate it was 5% then. So by comparison with itself, it has deteriorated spectacularly.
I think it depends at which point in career. There has been a big change in drop out rate at medical school: between about 1990 and 2000, the med school drop out rate was in the region of 4%. It's now much closer to 0.5%The change in rate of career change during the early part of postgraduate work is certainly of substantial concern; in the link I posted above, it's close to 35% permanently leaving either clinical practice or the UK. Anecdotally, I think this has increased significantly, but I have not been able to find any reliable historical statistics.
Dixy said:
Having started this post a few years ago now seams a good time to just remind those that said who needs the NHS and Junior doctors are being greedy that now is the time to admit how wrong you were.
Good grief. You choose now to make your political points? Have a word with yourself eh?
I'm not even going to bother addressing the point you're trying to make.
Dixy said:
Having started this post a few years ago now seams a good time to just remind those that said who needs the NHS and Junior doctors are being greedy that now is the time to admit how wrong you were.
Who on earth claimed that we do not need the NHS?What has the current crisis has got to do wth Junior doctors being greedy (or otherwise)?
Are you really trying to score political points at a time of national crisis?
How pleasing that nothing has changed over 5 years at PH. Start a thread and some other keyboard warrior will rip you a new one.
If you care to read the previous 84 pages you will find countless examples of people claiming the NHS should be scrapped and we don't need junior doctors who's work is no more important than any others.
Not party political in any way but was reminded of it when Hunts smug face appeared on my TV this morning.
I merely wished to remind those who had expressed opinions how wrong they were.
If you care to read the previous 84 pages you will find countless examples of people claiming the NHS should be scrapped and we don't need junior doctors who's work is no more important than any others.
Not party political in any way but was reminded of it when Hunts smug face appeared on my TV this morning.
I merely wished to remind those who had expressed opinions how wrong they were.
Edited by Dixy on Wednesday 25th March 13:09
Dixy said:
How pleasing that nothing has changed over 5 years at PH. Start a thread and some keyboard warrior will rip you a new one.
If you care to read the previous 84 pages you will find countless examples of people claiming the NHS should be scrapped and we don't need junior doctors who's work is no more important than any others.
Not party political in any way but was reminded of it when Hunts smug face appeared on my TV this morning.
I merely wished to remind those who had expressed opinions how wrong they were.
'keyboard warrior'?If you care to read the previous 84 pages you will find countless examples of people claiming the NHS should be scrapped and we don't need junior doctors who's work is no more important than any others.
Not party political in any way but was reminded of it when Hunts smug face appeared on my TV this morning.
I merely wished to remind those who had expressed opinions how wrong they were.
Looks like you just want a rant. I'm out.
Dixy said:
Having started this post a few years ago now seams a good time to just remind those that said who needs the NHS and Junior doctors are being greedy that now is the time to admit how wrong you were.
If that's how far you are prepared to go to be seen to win an internet argument then by all means consider yourself as having won. Nice one.Dixy said:
How pleasing that nothing has changed over 5 years at PH. Start a thread and some other keyboard warrior will rip you a new one.
If you care to read the previous 84 pages you will find countless examples of people claiming the NHS should be scrapped and we don't need junior doctors who's work is no more important than any others.
Not party political in any way but was reminded of it when Hunts smug face appeared on my TV this morning.
I merely wished to remind those who had expressed opinions how wrong they were.
Non sequiturIf you care to read the previous 84 pages you will find countless examples of people claiming the NHS should be scrapped and we don't need junior doctors who's work is no more important than any others.
Not party political in any way but was reminded of it when Hunts smug face appeared on my TV this morning.
I merely wished to remind those who had expressed opinions how wrong they were.
Edited by Dixy on Wednesday 25th March 13:09
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