Junior Doctor's contracts petition
Discussion
sidicks said:
ArmaghMan said:
Probably not, but they will all have A or A* at GCE or GCSE in English with another 9 or 10 A grades to go with it.
They will all have an absolute minimum of 3 A grades at A level, and that will be no guarantee of a place in Uni to study medicine. They will then spend 5 years at Uni.
But don't worry, when they are writing or dictating a letter that might just save your life, they'll be happy to know that there are some who will be more interested in spelling grammar and punctuation than content and context.
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Many of us comfortably exceed those requirements (although to be fair I do come from an era where an 'A*' was simply called an 'A' and equivalently the current 'A' rating was simply referred to as a 'B')...They will all have an absolute minimum of 3 A grades at A level, and that will be no guarantee of a place in Uni to study medicine. They will then spend 5 years at Uni.
But don't worry, when they are writing or dictating a letter that might just save your life, they'll be happy to know that there are some who will be more interested in spelling grammar and punctuation than content and context.
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Edited by sidicks on Thursday 26th November 21:16
greygoose said:
Dixy said:
sidicks said:
Just out of interest, do you need good punctuation and grammar to be a doctor?
As I am far too stupid to be a doctor I don't know, but again if you bothered to read others replies you would already know that.sidicks said:
I'm afraid you are quote wrong.
Is it important to know the difference between 'quote' and 'quite'?jjlynn27 said:
sidicks said:
Relevance?
If you honestly think that the Tories plan to 'dismantle the NHS' then you're more deluded than I thought.
Much more relevant than your incessant 'public pension bad' rants. At least now you have thread for it.If you honestly think that the Tories plan to 'dismantle the NHS' then you're more deluded than I thought.
sidicks said:
johnfm said:
To be fair, I think he says they are 'unaffordable', not 'bad' per se.
Indeed - I've never tried to argue about what certain public sector workers 'deserve', simply that the economics of the schemes don't add up under current demographics.mph1977 said:
you have consistently claimed that the current position requires substantial cash injection fro mthe treasury to meet it's in year liabilities where in fact the converse is true and the NHS pension alone return returns 1 and 2 billion a year to the treasury on the basis of a long standing promise of the exchequer to underwrite scheme liabilities.
Are you seriously suggesting that the NHS pension scheme will generate money for the government????Pay in a little now, take out a lot later. Even if it generates a surplus in the early years it will be a massive drain for the future.
It is a massive benefit (probably bigger than you know) and is unaffordable. This unaffordability will only get worse as time goes by.
mph1977 said:
then we get the hicken little figures bandied about about the future liabilities beeing 300 + billion ...
As you dispute the figures, could you please supply more accurate ones, along with some form of evidence?mph1977 said:
you could create a frenzy of hyperbole aobut the amount owed on mortgages etc ...
My understanding of mortgages (I have many) is that they lessen over time rather than increase as per NHS pension liabilities. You're most definitely not comparing like with like.Rovinghawk said:
mph1977 said:
you have consistently claimed that the current position requires substantial cash injection fro mthe treasury to meet it's in year liabilities where in fact the converse is true and the NHS pension alone return returns 1 and 2 billion a year to the treasury on the basis of a long standing promise of the exchequer to underwrite scheme liabilities.
Are you seriously suggesting that the NHS pension scheme will generate money for the government????Pay in a little now, take out a lot later. Even if it generates a surplus in the early years it will be a massive drain for the future.
It is a massive benefit (probably bigger than you know) and is unaffordable. This unaffordability will only get worse as time goes by.
mph1977 said:
then we get the hicken little figures bandied about about the future liabilities beeing 300 + billion ...
As you dispute the figures, could you please supply more accurate ones, along with some form of evidence?mph1977 said:
you could create a frenzy of hyperbole aobut the amount owed on mortgages etc ...
My understanding of mortgages (I have many) is that they lessen over time rather than increase as per NHS pension liabilities. You're most definitely not comparing like with like.this is where the chicken little and ponzi schem accusations fall short of the mark ... a ponzi scheme is not underwritten and relies on income exceeding expenditure , where PAYG public sector pensions have been returning cash to the exchequer on a consistent basis year on year
|http://thumbsnap.com/UNugmY7t[/url]IanA2 said:
sidicks said:
Dixy said:
This does help immensely, a Doctor could make a reasonable fist of understanding a pension document, and even if they totally screwed it up, someone could sort it out in a month or two. Whereas when your son arrives at A&E at 2 am on a Sunday morning with minutes to live the best you could hope to do sob whilst he dies.
HTH
Well mph1977 may not be a doctor but he's certainly failing miserably to understand the pension document he is referring to, and time and time again on here we see claims from other public sector workers that demonstrate how little they understand about their benefits!HTH
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mph1977 said:
the NHS pension scheme has been running since 1948 and has consisitently returned money to the exchequer
this is where the chicken little and ponzi schem accusations fall short of the mark ... a ponzi scheme is not underwritten and relies on income exceeding expenditure , where PAYG public sector pensions have been returning cash to the exchequer on a consistent basis year on year
So it generates cash? Let's all join the NHS pension scheme- the surplus will evetually clear the national debt. YAY!this is where the chicken little and ponzi schem accusations fall short of the mark ... a ponzi scheme is not underwritten and relies on income exceeding expenditure , where PAYG public sector pensions have been returning cash to the exchequer on a consistent basis year on year
Jesus wept
Rovinghawk said:
mph1977 said:
the NHS pension scheme has been running since 1948 and has consisitently returned money to the exchequer
this is where the chicken little and ponzi schem accusations fall short of the mark ... a ponzi scheme is not underwritten and relies on income exceeding expenditure , where PAYG public sector pensions have been returning cash to the exchequer on a consistent basis year on year
So it generates cash? Let's all join the NHS pension scheme- the surplus will evetually clear the national debt. YAY!this is where the chicken little and ponzi schem accusations fall short of the mark ... a ponzi scheme is not underwritten and relies on income exceeding expenditure , where PAYG public sector pensions have been returning cash to the exchequer on a consistent basis year on year
Jesus wept
mph1977 said:
no it doesn;t 'generate' cash but money is returned to the exchequer rather than being ring fenced and then lent to the exchequer as pension funds as businesses do ...
1. How much does the employee / taxpayer pay in each year and how much of this is returned at the current time?2. You use the terminology 'lend' - that does imply that this money needs to be paid back - where from??
Edited by sidicks on Friday 27th November 14:38
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