Junior Doctor's contracts petition
Discussion
IanA2 said:
Very creative and must have taken a long time and lots of effort which undermines their message somewhat.
loafer123 said:
IanA2 said:
Very creative and must have taken a long time and lots of effort which undermines their message somewhat.
sidicks said:
Dixy said:
They do want to be doctors, they will just look for another country. As for replacing them, they have to start before they make there gcse choices, so thats at least 9 years to graduating. Will make current waiting times seem a tad irrelevant.
And for the record UCAS applications for med schools are down.
Just out of interest, do you need good punctuation and grammar to be a doctor?And for the record UCAS applications for med schools are down.
Fortunately these things are now typed!!
t400ble said:
My take on this.
We live in a 7 day a week world. the job requires it.
Don't like it? Find something else to do in life.
It's not 'a job' as such, people generally do not enter into this vocation with 'how much can I make and take' mentality. Seven day a week means employ more people to cover imo.We live in a 7 day a week world. the job requires it.
Don't like it? Find something else to do in life.
IanA2 said:
loafer123 said:
IanA2 said:
Maybe they did it when they were off duty....just a thought
According to the song they don't have time to sleep or eat...Funnily enough, I don't sleep at work either.
What a coincidence.
crankedup said:
t400ble said:
My take on this.
We live in a 7 day a week world. the job requires it.
Don't like it? Find something else to do in life.
It's not 'a job' as such, people generally do not enter into this vocation with 'how much can I make and take' mentality. Seven day a week means employ more people to cover imo.We live in a 7 day a week world. the job requires it.
Don't like it? Find something else to do in life.
If its not about money why are they going on strike ?
loafer123 said:
They don't have time to sleep on duty?
Funnily enough, I don't sleep at work either.
What a coincidence.
When resident on-call the expectation is that you should have some sleep & rest periods. Frequently this is not possible. What sort of overnight on-call work, in addition to your day work, do you do?Funnily enough, I don't sleep at work either.
What a coincidence.
Stop digging, you're making yourself look silly.
PRTVR said:
crankedup said:
t400ble said:
My take on this.
We live in a 7 day a week world. the job requires it.
Don't like it? Find something else to do in life.
It's not 'a job' as such, people generally do not enter into this vocation with 'how much can I make and take' mentality. Seven day a week means employ more people to cover imo.We live in a 7 day a week world. the job requires it.
Don't like it? Find something else to do in life.
If its not about money why are they going on strike ?
Having said that I do agree that G.P. practices now must be competitive in financial terms. This is a situation created by central Government, not the health practice. Unfortunately this financially competitive environment has led to swathes of G.P. practices unable to fill vacant chairs, a common problem in more rural areas.
Dentistry, again I agree with your comments, a family relation is a dentist. He earns reasonable money
at £100k + but money was not the main driving factor behind his career decision 16 years or so ago.
Outside of those examples though do the nurses, J.D. et al really choose the vocation for financial reward, hardly imo. They do deserve some reasonable treatment from employers though and the Government has shown little regard to this end.
PRTVR said:
Once over I would have agreed with you, but we live in a different world now, I posted before about an job advert for receptionist for a local surgery, in amongst the job description was to maximise the profit of the practice, then we get to dentists, my wife visited our new young dentist last year, all the time during the check up he was plugging expensive work, after the check up my wife went to the hygienist, who checked her notes and noted a few things that he had missed, back to the dentist she went for another check up, did he apologise, nope.
If its not about money why are they going on strike ?
You do realize that this thread is about doctors in training and as such nothing to do with GP or dental practices, which by the by, are private entities. It's quite sad reading how little people understand of what is going on. And the petition is against changing condition that will result in pay being cut for junior doctors, who, to repeat once again, already do work shifts and seven days a week according to rota at their training hospital. If its not about money why are they going on strike ?
jjlynn27 said:
PRTVR said:
Once over I would have agreed with you, but we live in a different world now, I posted before about an job advert for receptionist for a local surgery, in amongst the job description was to maximise the profit of the practice, then we get to dentists, my wife visited our new young dentist last year, all the time during the check up he was plugging expensive work, after the check up my wife went to the hygienist, who checked her notes and noted a few things that he had missed, back to the dentist she went for another check up, did he apologise, nope.
If its not about money why are they going on strike ?
You do realize that this thread is about doctors in training and as such nothing to do with GP or dental practices, which by the by, are private entities. It's quite sad reading how little people understand of what is going on. And the petition is against changing condition that will result in pay being cut for junior doctors, who, to repeat once again, already do work shifts and seven days a week according to rota at their training hospital. If its not about money why are they going on strike ?
PRTVR said:
I do understand that the thread is about doctors in training, my reply was to the comment about attitudes to money and examples of how things are changing, I can sympathize with them, nobody like change, but can the NHS just carry on as it is or do painful changes have to take place, every time somebody tries to change something somebody is going to lose out,that's how savings are made, the alternative is just to do nothing, and have the trusts just run at massive over spending, in an ideal world these changes would not have to happen but sadly things have to change, the question is could the savings be made another way?
JH letter to BMA said:
Firstly, this is not a cost cutting exercise. I can give you a categorical assurance that I am not seeking to save any money from the junior doctors’ paybill.
968 said:
barryrs said:
So the strikes off then, wonder how much it took?
It's temporary and only a consequence of the contracts not being forcibly imposed, at least temporarily. It's not about money, it's about working conditions, hours, patient safety and fairness.Also you missed something in that list.
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