Sugar tax

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chris watton

22,477 posts

259 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Foliage said:
turbobloke said:
chris watton said:
If you want sugar free foods, you do really have to be on the ball and do your research.

There's an awful lot of crap out there, some even advertised as health foods!
Indeed, isn't "healthy" yoghurt one of the most notable sinners?
Not really, dumb people are the biggest problem, hence why I think education is key.
Perhaps - people need to eat more unprocessed whole foods, and pure water instead of coke/squash, stuff the body understands how to process correctly.

I have to admit, since dieting and training, it's quite an eye opener how little food you actually need to consume. Weaning myself off sugar wasn't too bad, too. In fact, I tried an 'Activia' yoghurt the other week, and it was way too sweet for my palette, too sickly.

having said that, I believe that anything is ok, if taken in moderation and you have a half decent active lifestyle - it's when you sit at a desk day in, day out, and then drive home to park your arse on the couch for the evening that even modest over eating becomes a big problem. IMOHO.


Edited by chris watton on Tuesday 1st December 17:08

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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otolith said:
Because people like eating it, and if you make your product taste nice, people buy it. People like the taste of fat, salt, sugar. Just the way they're wired.
Yes it is, but it doesn't absolve added refined sugar in savoury products. It mostly stems from the 'low-fat' craze. Fat is a by-product, sugar is the main product, sugar makes helps make people fat, it increases need for food (hormones) and makes a profit. It needs to be restricted.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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chris watton said:
Perhaps - people need to eat more unprocessed whole foods, and pure water instead of coke/squash, stuff the body understands how to process correctly.
Nation with the healthiest diet in the world? Iceland. Percentage of processed sugary foods in the national diet, around 10% as I recall.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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And for hose who'd like a genuine healthy yoghurt/quark.
Fage and Skyr (Iceland) both make some.

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Halb said:
otolith said:
Because people like eating it, and if you make your product taste nice, people buy it. People like the taste of fat, salt, sugar. Just the way they're wired.
Yes it is, but it doesn't absolve added refined sugar in savoury products. It mostly stems from the 'low-fat' craze. Fat is a by-product, sugar is the main product, sugar makes helps make people fat, it increases need for food (hormones) and makes a profit. It needs to be restricted.
And with neither fat nor sugar, the food will taste awful.

Enjoy your state approved gruel, comrade! wink

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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otolith said:
And with neither fat nor sugar, the food will taste awful.
Pretty much. So the fat that comes as part of the food shouldn't be taken out, and the added sugar should not be introduced.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

243 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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otolith said:
Halb said:
otolith said:
Because people like eating it, and if you make your product taste nice, people buy it. People like the taste of fat, salt, sugar. Just the way they're wired.
Yes it is, but it doesn't absolve added refined sugar in savoury products. It mostly stems from the 'low-fat' craze. Fat is a by-product, sugar is the main product, sugar makes helps make people fat, it increases need for food (hormones) and makes a profit. It needs to be restricted.
And with neither fat nor sugar, the food will taste awful.
Thus people will eat less of it; isn't that a win-win?

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Oh, is sugar still the enemy, I thought we would be back to fat by Christmas. Or maybe carbs.

Or protein biggrin


otolith

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203 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Einion Yrth said:
Thus people will eat less of it; isn't that a win-win?
Depends, what are we keeping them alive for?

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Einion Yrth said:
otolith said:
Halb said:
otolith said:
Because people like eating it, and if you make your product taste nice, people buy it. People like the taste of fat, salt, sugar. Just the way they're wired.
Yes it is, but it doesn't absolve added refined sugar in savoury products. It mostly stems from the 'low-fat' craze. Fat is a by-product, sugar is the main product, sugar makes helps make people fat, it increases need for food (hormones) and makes a profit. It needs to be restricted.
And with neither fat nor sugar, the food will taste awful.
Thus people will eat less of it; isn't that a win-win?
hehe
Indeed.
http://authoritynutrition.com/junk-food-brain-want...

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

243 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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otolith said:
Einion Yrth said:
Thus people will eat less of it; isn't that a win-win?
Depends, what are we keeping them alive for?
*shrug* I'm just stirring. I don't really give a monkey's what they do with processed foods, I hardly ever eat them; prefer to cook from fresh.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Einion Yrth said:
*shrug* I'm just stirring. I don't really give a monkey's what they do with processed foods, I hardly ever eat them; prefer to cook from fresh.
Peasants or plebs?

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Halb said:
I could see Lustig ranting about fructose in the street with a big sign like Stanley Green's!

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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otolith said:
I could see Lustig ranting about fructose in the street with a big sign like Stanley Green's!
Ahh, good old Lustig!
I do like that documentary.

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Einion Yrth said:
*shrug* I'm just stirring. I don't really give a monkey's what they do with processed foods, I hardly ever eat them; prefer to cook from fresh.
So do I. And on the rare occasion I do buy them, I have to add salt to them, because the health Nazis have had it all removed.

There is a puritanical school of thought about which requires food to be missionary position, lights off, no more than strictly necessary. Mingled with a bit of "go and see what the poor people are enjoying, and tell them to stop it". I must admit, I do relish the idea of what a sugar tax would do to the price of Manuka honey and balsamic vinegar.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

260 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Halb said:
Sugar (if rfined sugar is what you mean) helps, and increases the chance of obesity.
THere is a reason why the USA/UK are geting obese and heading to wards a diabetes epidemic now (forget obesity). The increased of refined sugar in the USA/UK diet is a large part of this.
Sugar consumption in the UK has actually fallen in the last few decades.


Halb said:
There are reasons why the yanks (and more Brits) stick added sugar in their foods and drinks. One of them is it makes people consume more.
Translation: They make it taste nice so people will eat it.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Dr Jekyll said:
Halb said:
Sugar (if rfined sugar is what you mean) helps, and increases the chance of obesity.
THere is a reason why the USA/UK are geting obese and heading to wards a diabetes epidemic now (forget obesity). The increased of refined sugar in the USA/UK diet is a large part of this.
Sugar consumption in the UK has actually fallen in the last few decades.
THat written by SNowden? I read stuff by him a while ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Snowdon
I looked for sugar consumption for recent times.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2420713/...
"Research show we consume 60 grams added sugars a day"
Is there any link you can show me?

Dr Jekyll said:
Halb said:
There are reasons why the yanks (and more Brits) stick added sugar in their foods and drinks. One of them is it makes people consume more.
Translation: They make it taste nice so people will eat it.
Translation: People will eat more, buy more, and we make more $.

Edited by Halb on Tuesday 1st December 20:57

chris watton

22,477 posts

259 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Halb said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Halb said:
Sugar (if rfined sugar is what you mean) helps, and increases the chance of obesity.
THere is a reason why the USA/UK are geting obese and heading to wards a diabetes epidemic now (forget obesity). The increased of refined sugar in the USA/UK diet is a large part of this.
Sugar consumption in the UK has actually fallen in the last few decades.
THat written by SNowden? I read stuff by him a while ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Snowdon
I looked for sugar consumption for recent times.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2420713/...
"Research show we consume 60 grams added sugars a day"
Is there any link you can show me?

Dr Jekyll said:
Halb said:
There are reasons why the yanks (and more Brits) stick added sugar in their foods and drinks. One of them is it makes people consume more.
Translation: They make it taste nice so people will eat it.
Translation: People will eat more, buy more, and we make more $.

Edited by Halb on Tuesday 1st December 20:57
smile

I do not believe for a second that 'our' sugar consumption has gone down at all. I'd wager it's risen alarmingly, as most do not know the sugar content of most foods, even foods that you wouldn't think had sugar content!

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

260 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Halb said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Halb said:
Sugar (if rfined sugar is what you mean) helps, and increases the chance of obesity.
THere is a reason why the USA/UK are geting obese and heading to wards a diabetes epidemic now (forget obesity). The increased of refined sugar in the USA/UK diet is a large part of this.
Sugar consumption in the UK has actually fallen in the last few decades.
THat written by SNowden? I read stuff by him a while ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Snowdon
I looked for sugar consumption for recent times.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2420713/...
"Research show we consume 60 grams added sugars a day"
Is there any link you can show me?

Dr Jekyll said:
Halb said:
There are reasons why the yanks (and more Brits) stick added sugar in their foods and drinks. One of them is it makes people consume more.
Translation: They make it taste nice so people will eat it.
Translation: People will eat more, buy more, and we make more $.
http://www.channel4.com/news/how-sweet-is-our-love-q-a
Your last comment fascinates me. Not only do you regard profit as bad, you assume food profits are for some bizarre reason in US$, which apparently makes it even worse.

menguin

3,762 posts

220 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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wolves_wanderer said:
Eric Mc said:
people smoking is tiny compared to 40 years ago.
Stunts your growth apparently
This deserves recognition.