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zygalski said:
Don't drink too much, don't smoke.
Eat a balanced diet, not too much red or processed meat, with plenty of fresh fruit & veg.
Exercise regularly.
Ignore all the other bulls
t.
That's more or less what I think. It's not complicated and I wonder how many people are genuinely confused by the issue. Eat a balanced diet, not too much red or processed meat, with plenty of fresh fruit & veg.
Exercise regularly.
Ignore all the other bulls
t.Randy Winkman said:
zygalski said:
Don't drink too much, don't smoke.
Eat a balanced diet, not too much red or processed meat, with plenty of fresh fruit & veg.
Exercise regularly.
Ignore all the other bullst.
That's more or less what I think. It's not complicated and I wonder how many people are genuinely confused by the issue. Eat a balanced diet, not too much red or processed meat, with plenty of fresh fruit & veg.
Exercise regularly.
Ignore all the other bulls
t.
grumbledoak said:
What do you think this is?
To spell it out - my point is that "specific advice from the govt" and "massive advertising campaigns that have pushed low cost high margin foods" are exactly the same thing.
No they’re not. To spell it out - my point is that "specific advice from the govt" and "massive advertising campaigns that have pushed low cost high margin foods" are exactly the same thing.
Edited by grumbledoak on Sunday 22 September 07:57
I’m not sure how you can sustain the argument, I mean, how do you explain regional (city vs rural) obesity in China? Is that because of the UK govts dietry advice? Or is it to do with disposable income and a demand for fast food?
gregs656 said:
No they’re not.
I’m not sure how you can sustain the argument, I mean, how do you explain regional (city vs rural) obesity in China? Is that because of the UK govts dietry advice? Or is it to do with disposable income and a demand for fast food?
Or because people in rural areas get more exercise.I’m not sure how you can sustain the argument, I mean, how do you explain regional (city vs rural) obesity in China? Is that because of the UK govts dietry advice? Or is it to do with disposable income and a demand for fast food?
Wondered to myself why cans of cherry tango didn't have as much of a sharp cherry taste lately. noticed the can only has 36cals. compare that to a can of coca-cola which has around 110cals and that's two thirds of the sugar gone.
I've also noticed some brands doing a 'throwback' version. basically full sugar. currently mountain dew make one.. but my local corner shop sells it at £1.20 for a 330ml can!!
apparently Irn Bru are going to make a 'throwback' verson. basically the full sugar irn bru that's always been around since the sugar tax came into force...no doubt it will be expensive though. It's annoying, because that's partly one reason why i liked Irn Bru so much. The 2litre bottles were £1-1.20. compared to bottles of pepsi/coke that were £2.
I've also noticed some brands doing a 'throwback' version. basically full sugar. currently mountain dew make one.. but my local corner shop sells it at £1.20 for a 330ml can!!
apparently Irn Bru are going to make a 'throwback' verson. basically the full sugar irn bru that's always been around since the sugar tax came into force...no doubt it will be expensive though. It's annoying, because that's partly one reason why i liked Irn Bru so much. The 2litre bottles were £1-1.20. compared to bottles of pepsi/coke that were £2.
The only place I regularly see still bothering with the differential pricing is McDonalds - they charge about 10p extra for the full sugar goodness.
All the supermarkets went through a phase of trying to charge 20p or so extra for their sandwich meal deal if you picked up the full sugar coke, or some variant on diet coke in the meal deal was 500ml but good coke only 350ml to keep the price the same for both options; but they all seem to have given up and just charge the same whether you get diet coke or good coke or whatever.
There are some places that just don't offer full sugar goodness - I was in the Freeman NHS Hospital in Newcastle recently, and the only drinks you can get in there whether from the little shops or from the restaurant downstairs are all artificially sweetened, no proper coke at all. Which would be great but athe artificially sweetened stuff makes me ill. The truth will come out about artificial sweeteners eventually and then the NHS will look stupid
All the supermarkets went through a phase of trying to charge 20p or so extra for their sandwich meal deal if you picked up the full sugar coke, or some variant on diet coke in the meal deal was 500ml but good coke only 350ml to keep the price the same for both options; but they all seem to have given up and just charge the same whether you get diet coke or good coke or whatever.
There are some places that just don't offer full sugar goodness - I was in the Freeman NHS Hospital in Newcastle recently, and the only drinks you can get in there whether from the little shops or from the restaurant downstairs are all artificially sweetened, no proper coke at all. Which would be great but athe artificially sweetened stuff makes me ill. The truth will come out about artificial sweeteners eventually and then the NHS will look stupid
HTP99 said:
As I've mentioned before, I can spend £1.60 odd on a 500ml bottle of full fat coke or go to the next aisle and pick up a litre for a £1, I Just don't get this so called "sugar tax".
I don’t understand this either. 500ml are more expensive than 1L priced at £1 and also more expensive than 1.5L when on offer at 2 for £3 which seems like it’s a permanent offer. Makes no sense. 
I welcome it and will ignore the political concerns of people who think that the poor should be entitled to spend benefits on simple pleasures such as fags, and await the results. As with booze though, with the middle class who can afford it being part of the problem, this is also impacting premium beverages such as Fever Tree and Sanpellegrino, the latter actually being forces to change their recipes.
Edited by R Mutt on Tuesday 3rd December 12:49
ashleyman said:
HTP99 said:
As I've mentioned before, I can spend £1.60 odd on a 500ml bottle of full fat coke or go to the next aisle and pick up a litre for a £1, I Just don't get this so called "sugar tax".
I don’t understand this either. 500ml are more expensive than 1L priced at £1 and also more expensive than 1.5L when on offer at 2 for £3 which seems like it’s a permanent offer. Makes no sense. hyphen said:
ashleyman said:
HTP99 said:
As I've mentioned before, I can spend £1.60 odd on a 500ml bottle of full fat coke or go to the next aisle and pick up a litre for a £1, I Just don't get this so called "sugar tax".
I don’t understand this either. 500ml are more expensive than 1L priced at £1 and also more expensive than 1.5L when on offer at 2 for £3 which seems like it’s a permanent offer. Makes no sense. kev1974 said:
The only place I regularly see still bothering with the differential pricing is McDonalds - they charge about 10p extra for the full sugar goodness.
All the supermarkets went through a phase of trying to charge 20p or so extra for their sandwich meal deal if you picked up the full sugar coke, or some variant on diet coke in the meal deal was 500ml but good coke only 350ml to keep the price the same for both options; but they all seem to have given up and just charge the same whether you get diet coke or good coke or whatever.
There are some places that just don't offer full sugar goodness - I was in the Freeman NHS Hospital in Newcastle recently, and the only drinks you can get in there whether from the little shops or from the restaurant downstairs are all artificially sweetened, no proper coke at all. Which would be great but athe artificially sweetened stuff makes me ill. The truth will come out about artificial sweeteners eventually and then the NHS will look stupid
Can you imagine the uproar if it turns out to be linked to alzheimers or some such other condition.All the supermarkets went through a phase of trying to charge 20p or so extra for their sandwich meal deal if you picked up the full sugar coke, or some variant on diet coke in the meal deal was 500ml but good coke only 350ml to keep the price the same for both options; but they all seem to have given up and just charge the same whether you get diet coke or good coke or whatever.
There are some places that just don't offer full sugar goodness - I was in the Freeman NHS Hospital in Newcastle recently, and the only drinks you can get in there whether from the little shops or from the restaurant downstairs are all artificially sweetened, no proper coke at all. Which would be great but athe artificially sweetened stuff makes me ill. The truth will come out about artificial sweeteners eventually and then the NHS will look stupid
simoid said:
It’s almost certainly got to cause an increase risk of something.
[citation needed]These are some of the most studied food related chemicals and no one has found a link. At most there may be some people that develop allergic symptoms
There are loads of papers out there, this is just the first one that came up:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC31985...
Sugar substitutes in various food and beverages are very popular in most of the countries. Extensive scientific research has demonstrated the safety of the six low-calorie sweeteners currently approved for use in foods in the U.S. and Europe (stevia, acesulfame-K, aspartame, neotame, saccharin and sucralose) each with an acceptable daily intake. A number of studies have been carried out to confirm the safety of artificial sweeteners. A number of studies have also shown the adverse effects of the same. But most of the studies have limitations such as effects shown only in animals not in human, small sample size, high doses, statistically non-significant or borderline significant, etc.
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