WADA - Russia involved in state sponsored doping

[ewenm]

55palfers said:

Amazing.

...and they have only just found this out?

The "hole in the wall" has been known about for a while although this might be the first time it has appeared in an official report.

[WestyCarl]

So despite State Sponsored doping Russia only won just over 10% of medals at Sochi. Either they are crap at doping or it's still a level playing field............

[Hoofy]

ewenm said:

No more true than "Every BMW/Audi driver is a cock".

Plenty of clean athletes out there, plenty of dirty.

For me the fight is worth having. I don't want my sporty daughter to think the only way she can succeed at sport is to dope. Especially as we have no reliable studies of the long term impact of doping.

Otherwise, I'll borrow my neighbour's Kawasaki and do the TdF.

[Trophy Husband]

I love the fact that Putin has said that this is political interference in sport!! What does that man breathe FFS?? So Mr Putin, what is having a state sponsored doping programme to show the 'might' of Russia to the rest of the world if not politics interfering in sport?

He couldn't lie straight in bed.

[jjlynn27]

Putin, imo, is saying what home public needs/wants to hear. Don't think he cares to much about what people think of him outside of Rus.

[Efbe]

jjlynn27 said:

Putin, imo, is saying what home public needs/wants to hear. Don't think he cares to much about what people think of him outside of Rus.

agreed

but how did our media report our own athletes doping in Kenya... "British athletes 'given banned drugs'"... not athletes caught doping, but insinuating that the kenyan doctors were given the UK athletes drugs against their knowledge!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/36756105

[hornetrider]

Astonishing revelations today

[Ridgemont]

Indeed - worth reposting some of the highlights:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/...

And the poor Russian petals were upset when they were booed at Rio..

WADA report said:

The report found that the scheme — which was spurred by Russia’s poor showing at the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver — included athletes at the 2012 London Summer Games, the 2013 Universiade Games, the world track and field championships in 2013, and the 2014 Winter Olympics and Paralympics in Sochi, Russia. Among its specific findings:
•Fifteen Russian medal winners were found to have doped at the London Olympics; 10 have had their medals stripped already.
•Male DNA was found in the urine samples of two Russian women’s ice hockey players, a sign that those samples were tampered with.
•Samples provided by two unnamed athletes who won four gold medals in Sochi showed physiologically impossible salt readings.
•Forty-four bottles containing urine samples from 12 medal-winning athletes had scratches and marks on the inside of the caps, indicating tampering. WADA says this was determined by an unnamed “world recognized expert in firearms and toolmarks examinations,” who found that the nominally tamper-proof caps could be removed and then placed back on the bottles without leaving marks visible to the untrained eye.
•Six winners of 21 Paralympic medals from Sochi were found to have tampered urine samples.

The report also indicated that the systemic doping did not end with the Sochi Games. Russian officials continued swapping out dirty samples monthly at the Moscow testing laboratory for elite summer and winter athletes in 2014, McLaren found.

“The Report, and its evidence published today, shows the scope of subversion; and, focusses on the number of athletes that benefited over a prolonged period of time,” WADA President Craig Reedie said in a statement. “It is alarming to read that 1,000 Russian athletes… competing in summer, winter and Paralympic sport — can be identified as being involved in, or benefiting from, manipulations to conceal positive doping tests.”

[WestyCarl]

hornetrider said:

Astonishing revelations today

Agreed, but for me what's more astonishing is that despite all this "Astonishing" state sponsored doping their performance at London 2012 compared to other countries wasn't outstanding.

I think this is probably just the tip of the iceberg....

[johnxjsc1985]

I was watching RT and they were commenting how this was a Political issue using Russia as a scapegoat suggesting their is no real evidence. They even had an "Academic" on from Aston University to challenge the findings. Now if this is true and Russia is being singled out for Political reasons why have they tried to demonstrate to the World the changes they have made to deal with Drug abuse?. It has been state sponsored since it was the USSR.

[epom]

WestyCarl said:

hornetrider said:

Astonishing revelations today

Agreed, but for me what's more astonishing is that despite all this "Astonishing" state sponsored doping their performance at London 2012 compared to other countries wasn't outstanding.

I think this is probably just the tip of the iceberg....

Probably....

[mizx]

WestyCarl said:

Agreed, but for me what's more astonishing is that despite all this "Astonishing" state sponsored doping their performance at London 2012 compared to other countries wasn't outstanding.

I think this is probably just the tip of the iceberg....

Blood doping is the thing I believe is rife in most top level sport though. This is just like the 'VW' scandal, you'd have to be a fool not to think they're all doing it.

Ridgemont said:

And the poor Russian petals were upset when they were booed at Rio..

I didn't see any reason why they shouldn't have been to be honest..., whatever our opinions were on the proposed complete ban. Those that attended were cleared to do so, they will have been extra vigilant about them and there's no evidence (that I have heard of) to suggest any did anything at Rio. Ire should be directed at the Russian government, and IOC for their lack of response previously, not the athletes (mostly).

Edited by mizx on Friday 9th December 19:32

[98elise]

ewenm said:

Thankyou4calling said:

I can't understand why they bother testing at all.

Every athlete uses drugs.

I don't see the issue.

No more true than "Every BMW/Audi driver is a cock".

Plenty of clean athletes out there, plenty of dirty.

For me the fight is worth having. I don't want my sporty daughter to think the only way she can succeed at sport is to dope. Especially as we have no reliable studies of the long term impact of doping.

Agreed, at what point do you start giving your sporty kids drugs so that they can be competetive.

[Ridgemont]

mizx said:

didn't see any reason why they shouldn't have been to be honest..., whatever our opinions were on the proposed complete ban. Those that attended were cleared to do so, they will have been extra vigilant about them and there's no evidence (that I have heard of) to suggest any did anything at Rio. Ire should be directed at the Russian government, and IOC for their lack of response previously, not the athletes (mostly).

Edited by mizx on Friday 9th December 19:32

Too bad: this is a direct consequence of systemic cheating and the undermining of any kind of
confidence. The fact that a whistleblower blew this wide open, demonstrating that the anti doping regime in the Russian set up was actually a doping facilitation unit run by the FSB, means any official presence by Russia at Rio was a farce. You're right, the IOC's behaviour was a scandal but Russian olympians should have attended as independents. People were booing the flag not the individuals. And good on them.

[WestyCarl]

Ridgemont said:

You're right, the IOC's behaviour was a scandal but Russian olympians should have attended as independents. People were booing the flag not the individuals. And good on them.

They weren't allowed, even the Russian whistle blower Yuliya Stepanova wasn't allowed to compete at Rio.

The whole system is corrupt and self serving. The Russians just happen to be a nice easy target to show that the IOC, Wada, IAAF are supposedly fighting doping.

[johnxjsc1985]

WestyCarl said:

They weren't allowed, even the Russian whistle blower Yuliya Stepanova wasn't allowed to compete at Rio.

The whole system is corrupt and self serving. The Russians just happen to be a nice easy target to show that the IOC, Wada, IAAF are supposedly fighting doping.

Didn't other Sports allow Russians in Rio . The Russians are now and have always have been good at playing the underdog or victim in this case they have been caught out and if they are being singled out unfairly why have they taken measures to clamp down Cheats?.

[WestyCarl]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Didn't other Sports allow Russians in Rio . The Russians are now and have always have been good at playing the underdog or victim in this case they have been caught out and if they are being singled out unfairly why have they taken measures to clamp down Cheats?.

Their not being singled out unfairly, they did wrong and were bang to rights. However the big "show" that the IOC and Wada are making over this distracts from many other issues being ignored.

For example, however many Wada approved drug testing laboratories are in Africa?

Answer.........none.

[johnxjsc1985]

WestyCarl said:

Their not being singled out unfairly, they did wrong and were bang to rights. However the big "show" that the IOC and Wada are making over this distracts from many other issues being ignored.

For example, however many Wada approved drug testing laboratories are in Africa?

Answer.........none.

they are publicly claiming Political interference whilst in the real World they are trying to do the right thing. Cycling has rightly been under the spotlight for sometime but Athletics still seems to think its only Russia and the odd Athlete who Dope.

[Efbe]

johnxjsc1985 said:

WestyCarl said:

Their not being singled out unfairly, they did wrong and were bang to rights. However the big "show" that the IOC and Wada are making over this distracts from many other issues being ignored.

For example, however many Wada approved drug testing laboratories are in Africa?

Answer.........none.

they are publicly claiming Political interference whilst in the real World they are trying to do the right thing. Cycling has rightly been under the spotlight for sometime but Athletics still seems to think its only Russia and the odd Athlete who Dope.

I think it has been agreed by quite a few people that to expect this just to be Russia, a country that are not getting great results even with this, that is the only country doping is plain ridiculous.

In cycling it was pretty obvious to tell the cheats, because they were winning so easily.

Not that this is a great test, but it should serve as some indication quite how widespread the doping is, and really where we should be focussing next.

Edited by Efbe on Saturday 10th December 18:11