WADA - Russia involved in state sponsored doping

[Burwood]

Marta Doninguez banned and stripped of 2009 medal. The athlete denies drug use .

[johnxjsc1985]

Burwood said:

Marta Doninguez banned and stripped of 2009 medal. The athlete denies drug use .

has any Athlete ever said after being caught "yes I was drugged up to the eyeballs and got caught".

[Burwood]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Burwood said:

Marta Doninguez banned and stripped of 2009 medal. The athlete denies drug use .

has any Athlete ever said after being caught "yes I was drugged up to the eyeballs and got caught".

That's my point,not me, i'm innocent

[johnxjsc1985]

Burwood said:

That's my point,not me, i'm innocent

I would respect someone if they did admit cheating. I believed in the Armstrong story so I am on the side of giving people the benefit of the doubt rather than blame everyone for doping. I dont think it would be possible but maybe all Athletes should need a license to compete which includes the approriate blood tests taking place.

[Burwood]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Burwood said:

That's my point,not me, i'm innocent

I would respect someone if they did admit cheating. I believed in the Armstrong story so I am on the side of giving people the benefit of the doubt rather than blame everyone for doping. I dont think it would be possible but maybe all Athletes should need a license to compete which includes the approriate blood tests taking place.

They already have a testing regime but it's a failure. WADA have 'testers' go out and do on the stop tests. They go to Jamaica to test the sprinters. Where are they, very difficult to track down despite the regulations stating they must be in contact. A few days later the athletes turn up and whatever they were on has passed through their system. Secondly WADA rely on the integrity of the countries own testing facility. The coach goes in and bungs them some cash to turn a blind eye. Even worse, WADA officials taking bungs. No better than FIFA

[johnxjsc1985]

Burwood said:

They already have a testing regime but it's a failure. WADA have 'testers' go out and do on the stop tests. They go to Jamaica to test the sprinters. Where are they, very difficult to track down despite the regulations stating they must be in contact. A few days later the athletes turn up and whatever they were on has passed through their system. Secondly WADA rely on the integrity of the countries own testing facility. The coach goes in and bungs them some cash to turn a blind eye. Even worse, WADA officials taking bungs. No better than FIFA

thought this blood passport was a way forward. Or maybe just open the drugs thing open and let them kill themselves by the time they are 40.

[mcelliott]

Burwood said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

Burwood said:

That's my point,not me, i'm innocent

I would respect someone if they did admit cheating. I believed in the Armstrong story so I am on the side of giving people the benefit of the doubt rather than blame everyone for doping. I dont think it would be possible but maybe all Athletes should need a license to compete which includes the approriate blood tests taking place.

They already have a testing regime but it's a failure. WADA have 'testers' go out and do on the stop tests. They go to Jamaica to test the sprinters. Where are they, very difficult to track down despite the regulations stating they must be in contact. A few days later the athletes turn up and whatever they were on has passed through their system. Secondly WADA rely on the integrity of the countries own testing facility. The coach goes in and bungs them some cash to turn a blind eye. Even worse, WADA officials taking bungs. No better than FIFA

It's mind boggling, actually, no make that hilarious, that Jamaica don't even make the WADA hit list of countries that need watching with their appalling record of drug abuse, it's beyond a joke. This sport should be consigned to the same box as Bulgarian weightlifting and WWE.

[johnxjsc1985]

mcelliott said:

It's mind boggling, actually, no make that hilarious, that Jamaica don't even make the WADA hit list of countries that need watching with their appalling record of drug abuse, it's beyond a joke. This sport should be consigned to the same box as Bulgarian weightlifting and WWE.

As a life long cyclist and fan I always wondered why cycling got far more attention than Athletic. In particular Womans Athletics in the 70's and 80's. If they are serious about this the all nations should be tested prior to RIO and if they dont comply chuck them out. The USA dont need to be to boastful either their sprinters have form dont they.

[Camoradi]

Burwood, would you mind telling us what experience you have of the sporting world. You (rather rudely) questioned my comments about Paula Radcliffe being a clean athlete (in my opinion) earlier without knowing anything of my knowledge of her career and training regimes. I was in a cold park in Basingstoke when she qualified for the junior world cross country in Boston in 1993, which she won, and have followed her career and performances since. As an athlete who has run a marathon in a similar time to her (a few minutes slower), I find her performances, including her failures, quite credible.

Please, what qualifies you to educate us all in such confident tones on the evils of drug taking in sport? What sporting experience or qualifications do you have?

[mcelliott]

johnxjsc1985 said:

mcelliott said:

It's mind boggling, actually, no make that hilarious, that Jamaica don't even make the WADA hit list of countries that need watching with their appalling record of drug abuse, it's beyond a joke. This sport should be consigned to the same box as Bulgarian weightlifting and WWE.

As a life long cyclist and fan I always wondered why cycling got far more attention than Athletic. In particular Womans Athletics in the 70's and 80's. If they are serious about this the all nations should be tested prior to RIO and if they dont comply chuck them out. The USA dont need to be to boastful either their sprinters have form dont they.

Agree. I think athletics is where cycling was at the beginning of the 90s, where performance enhancing drugs was absolutely rife, and it's taken this long for cycling to start doing something about the drug problem. Athletics has got a hell of a long way to go. No good scratching the surface, they have to go after everyone.

[okgo]

Camoradi said:

Burwood, would you mind telling us what experience you have of the sporting world. You (rather rudely) questioned my comments about Paula Radcliffe being a clean athlete (in my opinion) earlier without knowing anything of my knowledge of her career and training regimes. I was in a cold park in Basingstoke when she qualified for the junior world cross country in Boston in 1993, which she won, and have followed her career and performances since. As an athlete who has run a marathon in a similar time to her (a few minutes slower), I find her performances, including her failures, quite credible.

Please, what qualifies you to educate us all in such confident tones on the evils of drug taking in sport? What sporting experience or qualifications do you have?

What qualifies you? Being in a park in Basingstoke or running a half decent marathon doesn't mean anything.

[Camoradi]

okgo said:

What qualifies you? Being in a park in Basingstoke or running a half decent marathon doesn't mean anything.

In you opinion of course. As you ask, I am a qualified athletics coach, with specific expertise in distance running. I think first hand experience of doing something would give a person the ability to assess what another person in the same area is doing, whether it is in line with their experience, whether their performances are out of the ordinary. There are several physical and behavioural indicators of drug use if you know what to look for. They cover this on coaching courses.

[mcelliott]

Camoradi said:

There are several physical and behavioural indicators of drug use if you know what to look for.

Pray tell, what are these indicators? A lot of my training buddies are bulgy eyed and get very angry, especially when I drop them on group rides. I don't think they're on drugs though.

[Burwood]

Camoradi said:

Burwood, would you mind telling us what experience you have of the sporting world. You (rather rudely) questioned my comments about Paula Radcliffe being a clean athlete (in my opinion) earlier without knowing anything of my knowledge of her career and training regimes. I was in a cold park in Basingstoke when she qualified for the junior world cross country in Boston in 1993, which she won, and have followed her career and performances since. As an athlete who has run a marathon in a similar time to her (a few minutes slower), I find her performances, including her failures, quite credible.

Please, what qualifies you to educate us all in such confident tones on the evils of drug taking in sport? What sporting experience or qualifications do you have?

I've never addressed you let alone been rude. My opinions are based on the extensive reading I've done on the subject.

[johnxjsc1985]

mcelliott said:

Pray tell, what are these indicators? A lot of my training buddies are bulgy eyed and get very angry, especially when I drop them on group rides. I don't think they're on drugs though.

I must have used drugs because on occasion I would simply float round the course where the previous week I found it a grovel. I get pissed off with simplistic comments about drug misuse.
Even when this latest purge is done and we all believe the performances are clean people will cheat to achieve what they desire.

[Art0ir]

johnxjsc1985 said:

thought this blood passport was a way forward. Or maybe just open the drugs thing open and let them kill themselves by the time they are 40.

The blood passport was beat by a BBC journalist not long ago and he didn't go to anywhere near the lengths that professional athletes do. Just microdosed EPO.

[johnxjsc1985]

Art0ir said:

The blood passport was beat by a BBC journalist not long ago and he didn't go to anywhere near the lengths that professional athletes do. Just microdosed EPO.

there has to be a way of detecting whatever the latest wonder drug is. Maybe we should start to financially punish the Athlete and their Coach as well as life bans meaning a full life ban

[Art0ir]

johnxjsc1985 said:

there has to be a way of detecting whatever the latest wonder drug is. Maybe we should start to financially punish the Athlete and their Coach as well as life bans meaning a full life ban

There isn't, that's the point.

Think of it like computer malware. Your AV can only detect and attempt to catch it once it's already been found in the wild, analysed and identified.

Like the malware, by the time it's detected and tests developed, there's already a handful of new variants being sold by chemists to doctors throughout the sporting world.

[Burwood]

Art0ir said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

there has to be a way of detecting whatever the latest wonder drug is. Maybe we should start to financially punish the Athlete and their Coach as well as life bans meaning a full life ban

There isn't, that's the point.

Think of it like computer malware. Your AV can only detect and attempt to catch it once it's already been found in the wild, analysed and identified.

Like the malware, by the time it's detected and tests developed, there's already a handful of new variants being sold by chemists to doctors throughout the sporting world.

correct- that is why bloods must be kept for 10 year. The testing will catch up with the cheats. Also why the Russians destroyed thousands of samples.

[johnxjsc1985]

how about lie detector tests that would scare the st out of them. I just dont accept that we can do nothing to stop this. At the moment failing a drugs test is not a criminal offence perhaps it could be.
What exactly are Russia doing to prove they are now a clean association.