WADA - Russia involved in state sponsored doping
Discussion
Can anyone think of a proper televised sporting event that would see increased viewing figures, ticket sales and promotion if the athletes/competitors got slower, weaker, more injury prone and stopped breaking records?
Most sporting organisations are run like companies. P/L means a lot. And just like real companies, ethics sometimes take a back seat.
Most sporting organisations are run like companies. P/L means a lot. And just like real companies, ethics sometimes take a back seat.
Burwood said:
They already have a testing regime but it's a failure. WADA have 'testers' go out and do on the stop tests. They go to Jamaica to test the sprinters. Where are they, very difficult to track down despite the regulations stating they must be in contact. A few days later the athletes turn up and whatever they were on has passed through their system. Secondly WADA rely on the integrity of the countries own testing facility. The coach goes in and bungs them some cash to turn a blind eye. Even worse, WADA officials taking bungs. No better than FIFA
That would count as a missed test-not there in the hours specified and you've missed one. Miss three within 12 months and you get a ban a la Christine OBtw-how do you know the Jamaican sprinters do that? It's a pretty specific allegation to level.
johnxjsc1985 said:
how about lie detector tests that would scare the s
t out of them. I just dont accept that we can do nothing to stop this. At the moment failing a drugs test is not a criminal offence perhaps it could be.
What exactly are Russia doing to prove they are now a clean association.
I'd argue the testing regime works pretty well.t out of them. I just dont accept that we can do nothing to stop this. At the moment failing a drugs test is not a criminal offence perhaps it could be.What exactly are Russia doing to prove they are now a clean association.
With the random element of the tests and the long term blood profiles there's a fairly good chance of catching the cheats.
All of this is useless of course if the people administering the tests are dodgy-as RUSADA apparently are.
In hindsight it looked dodgy but should have been obvious all along-a lot of the russian athletes wouldn't compete on the circuit and only compete in Russia (hence staying under the watch of RUSADA) and then emerging at championship time to beat everyone else.
For me one of the main markers of a 'dodgy' athlete is someone who stays in their home country and doesn't appear on the circuit all season long and then emerges to destroy everyone else.
The more I think about it, the more this fking bloke is part of the problem, rather than the solution. lol.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34908237
king bloke is part of the problem, rather than the solution. lol.http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34908237
Yup. Investigation just reporting now. Conclusions are that it is irrefutable the Russian state completely involved in massive doping cover up.
Apparently for Sochi, clean samples were taken months in advance and frozen then swapped out on site for the new dirty ones taken at the time.
The on-site doping laboratory even had a hidden hole in the wall to a second lab next door with whom new dirty samples were exchanged for the clean ones on stock.
Unbelievable.
Blanket ban for the nation surely can be the only suitable punishment?
Apparently for Sochi, clean samples were taken months in advance and frozen then swapped out on site for the new dirty ones taken at the time.
The on-site doping laboratory even had a hidden hole in the wall to a second lab next door with whom new dirty samples were exchanged for the clean ones on stock.
Unbelievable.
Blanket ban for the nation surely can be the only suitable punishment?
E36GUY said:
Yup. Investigation just reporting now. Conclusions are that it is irrefutable the Russian state completely involved in massive doping cover up.
Apparently for Sochi, clean samples were taken months in advance and frozen then swapped out on site for the new dirty ones taken at the time.
The on-site doping laboratory even had a hidden hole in the wall to a second lab next door with whom new dirty samples were exchanged for the clean ones on stock.
Unbelievable.
Blanket ban for the nation surely can be the only suitable punishment?
Apparently for Sochi, clean samples were taken months in advance and frozen then swapped out on site for the new dirty ones taken at the time.
The on-site doping laboratory even had a hidden hole in the wall to a second lab next door with whom new dirty samples were exchanged for the clean ones on stock.
Unbelievable.
Blanket ban for the nation surely can be the only suitable punishment?
Jesus christ!!!
johnxjsc1985 said:
has any Athlete ever said after being caught "yes I was drugged up to the eyeballs and got caught".
Didn't that happen with the US Snowboarding team a few years back?Pretty much the entire team were stoners, they were caught and then the governing body decided that weed wasn't a performance enhancer and wasn't on the banned list.
55palfers said:
Amazing.
...and they have only just found this out?
Indeed. We discovered in the Armstrong debacle that doping was, perhaps is, condoned to an extent. The show was everything. We see it in all sports. I follow two sports as something of a nerd: F1 and rugby. No scandals about drugs in either. It means they are either the cleanest sports in the world or, well I'm not sure what. ...and they have only just found this out?
I can see the pressure on those at the top and sympathise to a great extent. If they want to burn themselves up then OK, go ahead. But the major problem is that it cascades to lower levels. It ruins amateur sport as well. They know that those at the top abuse drugs so they know that the only way they can play at a higher level is to pop some pills.
I've seen players put on bulk in a way that is not normal. It affects the way they play as well.
Derek Smith said:
I've seen players put on bulk in a way that is not normal. It affects the way they play as well.
I don't follow Rugby Union or League that closely. However most of them wouldn't look out of place in a bodybuilding contest. Isn't the mantra in Rugby 'I only juiced up as an amateur to get a pro contract but stopped after that!' In cycling, it's 'yes I did dope throughout my career, but all my biggest wins were done clean'. Really, you couldn't make this st up!Derek Smith said:
Indeed. We discovered in the Armstrong debacle that doping was, perhaps is, condoned to an extent. The show was everything. We see it in all sports. I follow two sports as something of a nerd: F1 and rugby. No scandals about drugs in either. It means they are either the cleanest sports in the world or, well I'm not sure what.
I can see the pressure on those at the top and sympathise to a great extent. If they want to burn themselves up then OK, go ahead. But the major problem is that it cascades to lower levels. It ruins amateur sport as well. They know that those at the top abuse drugs so they know that the only way they can play at a higher level is to pop some pills.
I've seen players put on bulk in a way that is not normal. It affects the way they play as well.
Rugby a rife with doping, loads of Welsh players have been caught even though the testing is completely inadequate. I can see the pressure on those at the top and sympathise to a great extent. If they want to burn themselves up then OK, go ahead. But the major problem is that it cascades to lower levels. It ruins amateur sport as well. They know that those at the top abuse drugs so they know that the only way they can play at a higher level is to pop some pills.
I've seen players put on bulk in a way that is not normal. It affects the way they play as well.
Thankyou4calling said:
I can't understand why they bother testing at all.
Every athlete uses drugs.
I don't see the issue.
No more true than "Every BMW/Audi driver is a cock".Every athlete uses drugs.
I don't see the issue.
Plenty of clean athletes out there, plenty of dirty.
For me the fight is worth having. I don't want my sporty daughter to think the only way she can succeed at sport is to dope. Especially as we have no reliable studies of the long term impact of doping.
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