WADA - Russia involved in state sponsored doping
Discussion
55palfers said:
Do the "athletes" who won medals in London have to give them back?
If I came 2nd I'd be monumentally pi55ed off if they didn't
Yup but after their win they had the podium the sponsorship the funding the parades the adoration etc.If I came 2nd I'd be monumentally pi55ed off if they didn't
The next place athlete got nothing, they end up getting a medal in the post and putting it on in the kitchen.
gasp shock horror, Russian controlled athletes cheating.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_East_Germa...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_East_Germa...
Crush said:
mcelliott said:
Highly unlikely that this is restricted to Russian athletes, doping is rife across the board in athletics. Shambolic sport. Rotten to the core.
Willy Nilly said:
Why not have declared dopers?
Because then you have natural athletes (class) who will still be up against lying dopers. using Math you can tell if a record is gained by drugs. Even Bolt is a doper-they all are. Too much money involved now. Why even have the Olympics. It's a huge waste of money and probably corrupt like FiFA
Burwood said:
Crush said:
mcelliott said:
Highly unlikely that this is restricted to Russian athletes, doping is rife across the board in athletics. Shambolic sport. Rotten to the core.
Bluebarge said:
Burwood said:
Crush said:
mcelliott said:
Highly unlikely that this is restricted to Russian athletes, doping is rife across the board in athletics. Shambolic sport. Rotten to the core.
Says come and take me on if you think your hard enough, just not the female eastern European shot putters though.
hornetrider said:
Burwood said:
100% this. Our athletes are up to it. Radcliffe too.
Burwood said:
Even Bolt is a doper-they all are.
Got any proof of that cowboy? I realise there was some dodginess about Jamaican testing a while back...I'm sure there are dopers in other squads and in the GB team. I'm equally sure that British Athletics do not run a state-sponsored doping program.
Bluebarge said:
Burwood said:
Crush said:
mcelliott said:
Highly unlikely that this is restricted to Russian athletes, doping is rife across the board in athletics. Shambolic sport. Rotten to the core.
Now I don't share the stance above that I automatically assume Paula Radcliffe takes drugs or that any athlete who is 'the best in the world' is definitely an illegal performance enhancing drug taker
But I do take the stance that I am now cynical about all the winners in a sport I love and it is the understandable huge level of doubt amongst the public that has totally ruined the sport.
There is also no doubt that one reason many in the UK give the benefit of the doubt to the likes of Radcliffe or Farrah is simply the fact that they are British - I am sure people in other countries talk about them in the same way that we talk about certain overseas athletes
I would remind you that amongst the most well known track & field drug takers are
Ben Johnson
Marion Jones
Justin Gatlin
Tim Montgomerry
Mary Decker
Of course Marion Jones never failed a drugs test whilst winning her titles, Gatlin is allowed to run again after serving his ban, there is the huge embarrassment to athletics of Flo Jo's times still being world records when everyone assumes, but can't prove, she was a drugs cheat and Linford Christie, found guilty twice of taking drugs, is allowed to mentor UK athletes whilst Dwain Chambers came back to represent GB after serving his ban
Until they give unequivocal lifetime bans to drugs cheats that prevent them having any future involvement, in any sport, amateur or professional and make the offence criminal because of the fraudulent gain at the expense of fans/sponsors/rivals/the sport itself and most crucially, make the testing absolutely independent, well funded and very transparent, this problem will not be solved
The sad thing is that none of the recent events surprise anyone. Coe has the look of chemical ali or blatter, completely oblivious to the assumptions the public have made for yours about endemic drug use/abuse, in denial and out of his depth - his attitude really doesn't help
jonby said:
There is to be fair a serious point here.
As was mine. Accusing individual athletes of doping without hard evidence is defamatory and when the Mods wake up that post will be pulled because otherwise haymarket could potentially end up with a large bill.There is plenty to discuss on this issue without pointing the finger at athletes who have not been caught up in any controversy.
It is, for example, not hard to see why Usain Bolt is so fast - look at the levers on the bloke. He is not a Ben Johnson-type build at all, so why fling mud?
R8VXF said:
I want to see the steroid olympics, where you get banned for not using them. That should see some awesome records being set 
you jest - allow everyone to take drugs so we know they are on a level playing field and I'm sure there would be a queue of drugs companies happy to sponsor ! Its no less likely than a competition the public believe is genuinely cleanBluebarge said:
jonby said:
There is to be fair a serious point here.
As was mine. Accusing individual athletes of doping without hard evidence is defamatory and when the Mods wake up that post will be pulled because otherwise haymarket could potentially end up with a large bill.There is plenty to discuss on this issue without pointing the finger at athletes who have not been caught up in any controversy.
It is, for example, not hard to see why Usain Bolt is so fast - look at the levers on the bloke. He is not a Ben Johnson-type build at all, so why fling mud?
But the point remains that even if people refrain from posting such thoughts on a forum, or preface them with suitable qualifying wording, a large number of people understandably now assume that drugs taking is an endemic problem and therefore assume that a large number of top athletes are cheats. There is not one athlete who, if found guilty of drug taking, would surprise me. That is the huge problem the sport faces and whilst poorly worded, that is the problem highlighted by posts like the one accusing Radcliffe
jonby said:
R8VXF said:
I want to see the steroid olympics, where you get banned for not using them. That should see some awesome records being set
you jest - allow everyone to take drugs so we know they are on a level playing field and I'm sure there would be a queue of drugs companies happy to sponsor ! Its no less likely than a competition the public believe is genuinely cleanFoliage said:
Crush said:
mcelliott said:
Highly unlikely that this is restricted to Russian athletes, doping is rife across the board in athletics. Shambolic sport. Rotten to the core.
ETA - its not just sport is it, corruption is rife everywhere.
hornetrider said:
Burwood said:
100% this. Our athletes are up to it. Radcliffe too.
Burwood said:
Even Bolt is a doper-they all are.
Got any proof of that cowboy? I realise there was some dodginess about Jamaican testing a while back...The facts remain, industry experts who analysed her 3 results say ' 1 in 1000' the result is natural. Radliffe bloods had the highest variation of any British athlete. The variance was 47%.
Insofar as proof. The proof is right there. A 1:1000 would have you guilty in a court.
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