WADA - Russia involved in state sponsored doping
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Burwood said:
100% this. Our athletes are up to it. Radcliffe too. To be the best in the world you need drugs. The ones who say they dont use are liars.
You won't mind if I send Paula (or her lawyer) a link to this, assuming you have evidence to back up your libelous comment. If ever there was an athlete who made hard work count over natural talent, it would be her.mcelliott said:
Highly unlikely that this is restricted to Russian athletes, doping is rife across the board in athletics. Shambolic sport. Rotten to the core.
From the reports of doping in the UK media you'd believe that the plucky dope-free Brits are all alone competing against steroid-crazed foreigners. Sports "journalists" are a lot less inquisitive than they ought to be in my opinion.this isnt about athletes and coaches cheating as they always have done and always will do ,this is about the State taking part in it which is a completely different ball game entirely.
I still have reservations that Russia will be banned Coe doesnt look like he has the cajones to take on the might of the Soviet machine.
If truth be told next years games should be postponed for a year whilst Athletes are tested and given a license to compete if you dont get a license from an independent authority then you do not compete.
I still have reservations that Russia will be banned Coe doesnt look like he has the cajones to take on the might of the Soviet machine.
If truth be told next years games should be postponed for a year whilst Athletes are tested and given a license to compete if you dont get a license from an independent authority then you do not compete.
rohrl said:
From the reports of doping in the UK media you'd believe that the plucky dope-free Brits are all alone competing against steroid-crazed foreigners. Sports "journalists" are a lot less inquisitive than they ought to be in my opinion.
It's just the tip of the iceberg, wada covering up tests, IAAF taking bribes, Russian state doping going back to the 1960s. Don't worry though Lord Coe is going to sort it out. Never mind that he was second in charge of the IAAF whilst it was all happening.
Hopefully the Russians will get a 4 year ban from all Olympic sports and spill the beans on the other countries that have state programs like China and Kenya and the countries that don't bother like the Jamaicans.
I for one am looking forward to the resultant tsunami which is going to engulf those involved and complicit in the cheating. This is going to get much much worse before it gets better.
Camoradi said:
You won't mind if I send Paula (or her lawyer) a link to this, assuming you have evidence to back up your libelous comment. If ever there was an athlete who made hard work count over natural talent, it would be her.
I have not a clue about Paula Radcliffe but out of interest, how are you so 100% sure that she has never cheated?Plenty of other athletes in all sorts of other sports have cheated and evaded the tests designed to catch them. I think it's a bit naive to suppose that any athlete is completely above suspicion, however nice and however genuine a person they appear to be and whatever their protestations.
A significant fallout from all of this is that drug taking goes down the levels of sport and amateur sport is affected.
My lad plays in a team where one lad, about as fit as you could wish, had a heart attack. No family history.
I know of one lad who dropped out of rugby for 18 months and then returned absolutely massive. It could, of course, be just excellent training methods.
On top of that, the size of players in his sport means that injuries are common. Impacts that would have been remarkable 10 years ago are now routine. He's suffered a significant injury at the age of 28 and it might well finish his career.
I don't know what the answer is but checking should be frequent, even to lower, non-professional, levels.
At the moment there is nothing to stop you, apart from the health risks.
My lad plays in a team where one lad, about as fit as you could wish, had a heart attack. No family history.
I know of one lad who dropped out of rugby for 18 months and then returned absolutely massive. It could, of course, be just excellent training methods.
On top of that, the size of players in his sport means that injuries are common. Impacts that would have been remarkable 10 years ago are now routine. He's suffered a significant injury at the age of 28 and it might well finish his career.
I don't know what the answer is but checking should be frequent, even to lower, non-professional, levels.
At the moment there is nothing to stop you, apart from the health risks.
rohrl said:
I have not a clue about Paula Radcliffe but out of interest, how are you so 100% sure that she has never cheated?
Plenty of other athletes in all sorts of other sports have cheated and evaded the tests designed to catch them. I think it's a bit naive to suppose that any athlete is completely above suspicion, however nice and however genuine a person they appear to be and whatever their protestations.
I'm not 100% sure Radcliffe is clean but I'm 99% sure. Her progression is pretty linear, she doesn't appear to have miraculous powers of recovery and she's been an anti-doping crusader when it wasn't a popular stance, causing embarrassment and trouble for sponsors and UKA.Plenty of other athletes in all sorts of other sports have cheated and evaded the tests designed to catch them. I think it's a bit naive to suppose that any athlete is completely above suspicion, however nice and however genuine a person they appear to be and whatever their protestations.
I can never be sure of course. Just like I can't be sure people I'm racing are clean, but in 29 years of competitive running at up to national level, I've not seen any evidence of widespread doping in the domestic scene.
ewenm said:
I'm not 100% sure Radcliffe is clean but I'm 99% sure. Her progression is pretty linear, she doesn't appear to have miraculous powers of recovery and she's been an anti-doping crusader when it wasn't a popular stance, causing embarrassment and trouble for sponsors and UKA.
I can never be sure of course. Just like I can't be sure people I'm racing are clean, but in 29 years of competitive running at up to national level, I've not seen any evidence of widespread doping in the domestic scene.
I'm really not sure about Radcliffe, normally the ones that shout the loudest have the most to hide, and isn't her record for the marathon still standing after 10 years, or something like that. That does raise a small red flag with me. I can never be sure of course. Just like I can't be sure people I'm racing are clean, but in 29 years of competitive running at up to national level, I've not seen any evidence of widespread doping in the domestic scene.
No fan of Jon Snow but absolutely tears Coe a new one in this interview.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBg6-_wrsOQ
Camoradi said:
Burwood said:
100% this. Our athletes are up to it. Radcliffe too. To be the best in the world you need drugs. The ones who say they dont use are liars.
You won't mind if I send Paula (or her lawyer) a link to this, assuming you have evidence to back up your libelous comment. If ever there was an athlete who made hard work count over natural talent, it would be her.mcelliott said:
I'm really not sure about Radcliffe, normally the ones that shout the loudest have the most to hide, and isn't her record for the marathon still standing after 10 years, or something like that. That does raise a small red flag with me.
No fan of Jon Snow but absolutely tears Coe a new one in this interview.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBg6-_wrsOQ
Has Coe been on another planet for the last 7 years ignorance has never been a good defence. No fan of Jon Snow but absolutely tears Coe a new one in this interview.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBg6-_wrsOQ
rohrl said:
Derek Smith said:
My lad plays in a team where one lad, about as fit as you could wish, had a heart attack. No family history.
What has this to do with doping? Anyone can have a congenital heart defect.Further, he was on steroids and other stuff. We all knew and he was dropped from the team.
johnxjsc1985 said:
mcelliott said:
I'm really not sure about Radcliffe, normally the ones that shout the loudest have the most to hide, and isn't her record for the marathon still standing after 10 years, or something like that. That does raise a small red flag with me.
No fan of Jon Snow but absolutely tears Coe a new one in this interview.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBg6-_wrsOQ
Has Coe been on another planet for the last 7 years ignorance has never been a good defence. No fan of Jon Snow but absolutely tears Coe a new one in this interview.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBg6-_wrsOQ
anonymous said:
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I'm thinking a whoosh As an aside, just wait until this report is fully un redacted. Jamaica will be delicious. Bolt must be sweating. Same coach as all of his team mates 'done'. Jamaica athletes apparently difficult to test by outside agencies. Hard to contact. That is a direct quote. Some great eye opening reading on its way. Lord Coe will be sweating too.
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