WADA - Russia involved in state sponsored doping

[gfunk]

[WestyCarl]

Burwood said:

In regards radliffe. She had three blood results which indicated doping. The regulations state 'unless strong evidence' to the contrary is available you are implicated in doping. She made a big hoopla out of getting 'experts' to explain two of those results. The third result (off the charts), as of today is still ignored.
The facts remain, industry experts who analysed her 3 results say ' 1 in 1000' the result is natural. Radliffe bloods had the highest variation of any British athlete. The variance was 47%.

Insofar as proof. The proof is right there. A 1:1000 would have you guilty in a court.

Would you also explain the rest of the story. When the blood tests were taken etc, and why they are not taken now due to "skewed results"

I have no idea if Paula is guilty or innocent but to be fair you need to present context, not just one side.

[Burwood]

WestyCarl said:

Burwood said:

In regards radliffe. She had three blood results which indicated doping. The regulations state 'unless strong evidence' to the contrary is available you are implicated in doping. She made a big hoopla out of getting 'experts' to explain two of those results. The third result (off the charts), as of today is still ignored.
The facts remain, industry experts who analysed her 3 results say ' 1 in 1000' the result is natural. Radliffe bloods had the highest variation of any British athlete. The variance was 47%.

Insofar as proof. The proof is right there. A 1:1000 would have you guilty in a court.

Would you also explain the rest of the story. When the blood tests were taken etc, and why they are not taken now due to "skewed results"

I have no idea if Paula is guilty or innocent but to be fair you need to present context, not just one side.

Actually I dont have to do anything- where is the athlete shouting from the roof tops with the evidence/defence. It isn't there. Remember Carl Lewis-the most clean athlete in the world, right. He was a drug cheat. Remember this guy. How anyone with a brain could think-wow Linford has got some gains right there. Must be his diet

[anonymous-user]

Great-same old story with doping in athletics. The involvement of the iaaf and bribes makes this a bit tastier than the norm but as usual the same armchair experts and vulturistic journalists with normally zero interest in the sport come out to play and proclaim how everyone's at it because they say so and are able to put 2 and 2 together to get 10.

Everyone knew the Russians were at it
The number of Russian athletes getting banned was ridiculous
The number of Russian athletes getting banned and coming back to compete at the same level was ridiculous
Russian athletes doing nothing on the circuit all summer then coming out and trouncing the best in the world was ridiculous

It was no secret and now the truth is out there.

[vonuber]

TBH I can see why they do it. the gains from Steroids are massive, even at a low level like I work out at. Really aids recovery and increases your stamina loads, I've noticed 'the gains' in the last 4 years of use.

Of course the downsides like risks of strokes and heartattacks are pretty serious, so you can see why they support side of it is so huge.

[IroningMan]

Burwood said:

Actually I dont have to do anything- where is the athlete shouting from the roof tops with the evidence/defence. It isn't there. Remember Carl Lewis-the most clean athlete in the world, right. He was a drug cheat. Remember this guy. How anyone with a brain could think-wow Linford has got some gains right there. Must be his diet

You're making the allegation - ergo you need to provide evidence to back it up.

'The athlete' cannot prove a negative - it's a logical impossibility - and clearly cannot hope to demonstrate themselves to be clean to your satisfaction.

[FredClogs]

They can fit it the para Olympics (with umpteen categories) and special Olympics, I'm not sure why they can't just have a drugged Olympics and the drug free Olympics, like they do in body building. It's only really in the combat sports or Rugby where I'd see a moral issue, because essentially being whizzed up to the tits on crack and crystal meth after a 4 year regime of extreme steroid abuse and enough EPO to make your blood boil sort of puts the competition in harms way... Who doesn't want to see a white guy with face tats do a 6 second 100 yard dash?

[WestyCarl]

Burwood said:

Actually I dont have to do anything- where is the athlete shouting from the roof tops with the evidence/defence. It isn't there. Remember Carl Lewis-the most clean athlete in the world, right. He was a drug cheat. Remember this guy. How anyone with a brain could think-wow Linford has got some gains right there. Must be his diet

Paula and her team have explained the defence / evidence and why she hasn't failed a test. You've just picked up on the fact 3 of her results were outside normal limits without explaining why.

[Burwood]

WestyCarl said:

Burwood said:

Actually I dont have to do anything- where is the athlete shouting from the roof tops with the evidence/defence. It isn't there. Remember Carl Lewis-the most clean athlete in the world, right. He was a drug cheat. Remember this guy. How anyone with a brain could think-wow Linford has got some gains right there. Must be his diet

Paula and her team have explained the defence / evidence and why she hasn't failed a test. You've just picked up on the fact 3 of her results were outside normal limits without explaining why.

wrong. she has never explained the 114 result other than to say it's excluded because it was taken after a race. The reality is the regs allow for such events and the limit is 111.x. 114 is so off the chart it's like being so pissed you fail a breath test a month after the party.

[johnxjsc1985]

unless the UK Government sponsored a Drug programme with UK Athletes what has Paula Radcliffe got to do with WADA and Russia. We have cheats in Sport but not many of them are sponsored by their own Government.
If it is all true then not only where they doping but they were also paying for the tests to come out clean.

[Cobnapint]

Vladimir Putin has said Russia needs to conduct its own investigation into claims its athletes have systematically taken performance-enhancing substances.

This is like Guy Fawkes saying we need to find out how all those explosives ended up underneath the Houses of Parliament.

http://newsthump.com/2015/11/09/seriously-ripped-v...

[Matt_N]

Bluebarge said:

As was mine. Accusing individual athletes of doping without hard evidence is defamatory and when the Mods wake up that post will be pulled because otherwise haymarket could potentially end up with a large bill.

4 days later and they're still there.

I too thought such posts contravened posting rules?

[Foliage]

NickGibbs said:

Foliage said:

Crush said:

mcelliott said:

Highly unlikely that this is restricted to Russian athletes, doping is rife across the board in athletics. Shambolic sport. Rotten to the core.

Cheating is rife if all sports, its the way of the word considering the amount of money that involved in the sport industry these days.

ETA - its not just sport is it, corruption is rife everywhere.

Great PH escalation here. From a problem within one sport in one country to CORRUPTION IS EVERYWHERE!

You think its not? its everywhere, its the way of the word its the way of consumerism, I'm not being paranoid, I'm being realistic.

VW (and others) are cheating emissions test, F1 teams have cheated, big business has cheated (lehman brothers subprime mortgages, short selling etc), university students cheating, TPP (secret trade deal), MP claiming strange expenses & paying their mortgage, the reasons for the iraq war, the US government system, its everywhere....

[johnxjsc1985]

any idea what time we can expect the climb down

[ewenm]

Yes, it says we need competition in our lives but understand that war/tribal fighting is a bad idea.

[mcelliott]

Seems odd that we are in the middle of this st storm that only appears to be getting bigger, and our 'clean' champions, nay, saviours, of the sport are keeping so quiet, almost to the point of embarrassment - so come on Bolt and Farah, let's be hearin' yer. If you're a truly clean champion you will shout the house down to defend your sport.

[johnxjsc1985]

mcelliott said:

Seems odd that we are in the middle of this st storm that only appears to be getting bigger, and our 'clean' champions, nay, saviours, of the sport are keeping so quiet, almost to the point of embarrassment - so come on Bolt and Farah, let's be hearin' yer. If you're a truly clean champion you will shout the house down to defend your sport.

I was thinking about this and if these people are clean and beyond reproach then shouldnt they form and sign some form of clean charter that accompanies the very latest testing. This could be done by a neutral Country in prepartion of being accepted as a clean athlete to next years Olympic Games

[fluffnik]

johnxjsc1985 said:

This could be done by a neutral Country in prepartion of being accepted as a clean athlete to next years Olympic Games

Slow times and a lack of new records don't make good TV...

[ewenm]

IAAF vote to ban Russia. It's a start...

[johnxjsc1985]

fluffnik said:

Slow times and a lack of new records don't make good TV...

take a look at the Womens records they have been stagnent for decades. ITs chasing records rather than winning races thathas fueled Drug taking in Athletics.