WADA - Russia involved in state sponsored doping
Discussion
55palfers said:
Do the "athletes" who won medals in London have to give them back?
If I came 2nd I'd be monumentally pi55ed off if they didn't
If the likelihood was that the silver medal winners weren't doping as well, I'd agree.If I came 2nd I'd be monumentally pi55ed off if they didn't
I don't.
Those that don't believe PEDs permeate every facet of sport, at every level, are either willfully ignorant or hopelessly naive.
And those that believe Russia are the only ones organising doping at a national team level... well. Joke's on you.
Art0ir said:
If the likelihood was that the silver medal winners weren't doping as well, I'd agree.
I don't.
Those that don't believe PEDs permeate every facet of sport, at every level, are either willfully ignorant or hopelessly naive.
And those that believe Russia are the only ones organising doping at a national team level... well. Joke's on you.
Kenya seem to have had some problems recently . Maybe singling out Russia wasnt the best way forward maybe a new license for Athletes to compete with them needing to adhere to new independant checks might have worked.Wada needs beefing up for sure and should have the final wordI don't.
Those that don't believe PEDs permeate every facet of sport, at every level, are either willfully ignorant or hopelessly naive.
And those that believe Russia are the only ones organising doping at a national team level... well. Joke's on you.
ewenm said:
IAAF vote to ban Russia. It's a start...
Oooooo, Mr P won't like that, especially after he's been extra nice in the last couple of days by saying there will be a 'full investigation' into Russian athletics.He'll switch into retribution mode now and do something stupid like announcing that all European football teams are provisionally banned from the 2018 World Cup until Russia is reinstated.
Watch this space.
johnxjsc1985 said:
Art0ir said:
If the likelihood was that the silver medal winners weren't doping as well, I'd agree.
I don't.
Those that don't believe PEDs permeate every facet of sport, at every level, are either willfully ignorant or hopelessly naive.
And those that believe Russia are the only ones organising doping at a national team level... well. Joke's on you.
Kenya seem to have had some problems recently . Maybe singling out Russia wasnt the best way forward maybe a new license for Athletes to compete with them needing to adhere to new independant checks might have worked.Wada needs beefing up for sure and should have the final wordI don't.
Those that don't believe PEDs permeate every facet of sport, at every level, are either willfully ignorant or hopelessly naive.
And those that believe Russia are the only ones organising doping at a national team level... well. Joke's on you.
Everyone is at it. Everyone.
Art0ir said:
If the likelihood was that the silver medal winners weren't doping as well, I'd agree.
I don't.
Those that don't believe PEDs permeate every facet of sport, at every level, are either willfully ignorant or hopelessly naive.
And those that believe Russia are the only ones organising doping at a national team level... well. Joke's on you.
If peds permeate every level of sport then are you saying that I dope?I don't.
Those that don't believe PEDs permeate every facet of sport, at every level, are either willfully ignorant or hopelessly naive.
And those that believe Russia are the only ones organising doping at a national team level... well. Joke's on you.
I take my running pretty seriously, have won a county championship beforehand, and trained with some very serious athletes whilst at uni.
I'm not even the fastest guy on pistonheads-not by a long way and I'm very average for a club runner but in light of the statement above-am I a doper?
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 16th November 22:56
cookie118 said:
If peds permeate every level of sport then are you saying that I dope?
I take my running pretty seriously, have won a county championship beforehand, and trained with some very serious athletes whilst at uni.
I'm not even the fastest guy on pistonheads-not by a long way and I'm very average for a club runner but in light of the statement above-am I a doper?
No, but the chances are you have competed against those who do. I take my running pretty seriously, have won a county championship beforehand, and trained with some very serious athletes whilst at uni.
I'm not even the fastest guy on pistonheads-not by a long way and I'm very average for a club runner but in light of the statement above-am I a doper?
Edited by cookie118 on Monday 16th November 22:56
Art0ir said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Art0ir said:
If the likelihood was that the silver medal winners weren't doping as well, I'd agree.
I don't.
Those that don't believe PEDs permeate every facet of sport, at every level, are either willfully ignorant or hopelessly naive.
And those that believe Russia are the only ones organising doping at a national team level... well. Joke's on you.
Kenya seem to have had some problems recently . Maybe singling out Russia wasnt the best way forward maybe a new license for Athletes to compete with them needing to adhere to new independant checks might have worked.Wada needs beefing up for sure and should have the final wordI don't.
Those that don't believe PEDs permeate every facet of sport, at every level, are either willfully ignorant or hopelessly naive.
And those that believe Russia are the only ones organising doping at a national team level... well. Joke's on you.
Everyone is at it. Everyone.
If you look at the progress of athletics over the years, and the gains made, it is quite obvious to tell the progression of doping.
The 100m is the easiest to assess, and the best documented. Try looking at the dramatic improvement in times Bolt has had over his predecessors. It's not rocket science to put 2+2 together here.
I would suggest that not only is every athlete at it, but every country. It's all state sponsored. It has to be, otherwise something would have been done about the obvious doping.
Art0ir said:
cookie118 said:
If peds permeate every level of sport then are you saying that I dope?
I take my running pretty seriously, have won a county championship beforehand, and trained with some very serious athletes whilst at uni.
I'm not even the fastest guy on pistonheads-not by a long way and I'm very average for a club runner but in light of the statement above-am I a doper?
No, but the chances are you have competed against those who do. I take my running pretty seriously, have won a county championship beforehand, and trained with some very serious athletes whilst at uni.
I'm not even the fastest guy on pistonheads-not by a long way and I'm very average for a club runner but in light of the statement above-am I a doper?
Edited by cookie118 on Monday 16th November 22:56
Instead, what seperated you from the elite of your running discipline?
Next, have you ever been offered anything? It will start with supplements, then, something a bit better, then don't worry, it's safe. What was your reaction? It probably goverened which route you went down. You don't even have to be at a high level to meet these. But how do you think you push past the good to elite?
Efbe said:
Art0ir said:
cookie118 said:
If peds permeate every level of sport then are you saying that I dope?
I take my running pretty seriously, have won a county championship beforehand, and trained with some very serious athletes whilst at uni.
I'm not even the fastest guy on pistonheads-not by a long way and I'm very average for a club runner but in light of the statement above-am I a doper?
No, but the chances are you have competed against those who do. I take my running pretty seriously, have won a county championship beforehand, and trained with some very serious athletes whilst at uni.
I'm not even the fastest guy on pistonheads-not by a long way and I'm very average for a club runner but in light of the statement above-am I a doper?
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 16th November 22:56
Instead, what seperated you from the elite of your running discipline?
Next, have you ever been offered anything? It will start with supplements, then, something a bit better, then don't worry, it's safe. What was your reaction? It probably goverened which route you went down. You don't even have to be at a high level to meet these. But how do you think you push past the good to elite?
The difference? (Speaking from personal experience-not science)
Long story:
Distance running needs a large volume of consistent training over an extended period. I have asthma which seems to mean I need big volumes of extended training even more-I'm pretty rubbish without at least a year of good base training behind me.
I never started doing longer runs and bigger volumes until university, and then went too much too soon-and ended up getting ill and injured. After injury I'd try and come back too soon and get injured again. Same story with illness. Now I'm working my way back from zero and I'm already mid-20's-not an ideal platform and I'd probably need 4-5 years to get back to where those guys are now and they're still training, I doubt I'd ever catch up.
So-those guys who were much better were running much bigger volumes much earlier, and they do bigger volumes anyway-like 100 miles a week. The most I've ever hit was 60. They also do all the external stuff, weights and drills, work on their technique, get sports massages twice or three times a week, monitor their diet. The level of commitment was something I could never quite muster (I'd drop training for uni studies for example) and it allowed them to improve in nearly every area.
When you take it to extremes like farah's timetable:
http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/training/mo-pain-mo-...
I can easily see how those guys get so fast from those sessions and that regime from how I respond(ed) to mileage and good training-the ugly truth is that it's a lot of hard work, commitment and also control and knowing when not to train too hard and ensure you don't get injured/ill.
As for supplements-I'd been told beetroot juice is good-but it tastes like soil. On a more serious note most of the guys I've been around treated anything more than a lucozade or multi-vitamins with suspicion. I've never been offered anything-nada, zilch.
TL:DR-I'm not commited enough, never got offered anything.
cookie118 said:
That's funny because I've never seen any evidence of drug taking at club or university athletics in getting on for 10 years now.
The difference? (Speaking from personal experience-not science)
Long story:
Distance running needs a large volume of consistent training over an extended period. I have asthma which seems to mean I need big volumes of extended training even more-I'm pretty rubbish without at least a year of good base training behind me.
I never started doing longer runs and bigger volumes until university, and then went too much too soon-and ended up getting ill and injured. After injury I'd try and come back too soon and get injured again. Same story with illness. Now I'm working my way back from zero and I'm already mid-20's-not an ideal platform and I'd probably need 4-5 years to get back to where those guys are now and they're still training, I doubt I'd ever catch up.
So-those guys who were much better were running much bigger volumes much earlier, and they do bigger volumes anyway-like 100 miles a week. The most I've ever hit was 60. They also do all the external stuff, weights and drills, work on their technique, get sports massages twice or three times a week, monitor their diet. The level of commitment was something I could never quite muster (I'd drop training for uni studies for example) and it allowed them to improve in nearly every area.
When you take it to extremes like farah's timetable:
http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/training/mo-pain-mo-...
I can easily see how those guys get so fast from those sessions and that regime from how I respond(ed) to mileage and good training-the ugly truth is that it's a lot of hard work, commitment and also control and knowing when not to train too hard and ensure you don't get injured/ill.
As for supplements-I'd been told beetroot juice is good-but it tastes like soil. On a more serious note most of the guys I've been around treated anything more than a lucozade or multi-vitamins with suspicion. I've never been offered anything-nada, zilch.
TL:DR-I'm not commited enough, never got offered anything.
I guess I just look dodgy then The difference? (Speaking from personal experience-not science)
Long story:
Distance running needs a large volume of consistent training over an extended period. I have asthma which seems to mean I need big volumes of extended training even more-I'm pretty rubbish without at least a year of good base training behind me.
I never started doing longer runs and bigger volumes until university, and then went too much too soon-and ended up getting ill and injured. After injury I'd try and come back too soon and get injured again. Same story with illness. Now I'm working my way back from zero and I'm already mid-20's-not an ideal platform and I'd probably need 4-5 years to get back to where those guys are now and they're still training, I doubt I'd ever catch up.
So-those guys who were much better were running much bigger volumes much earlier, and they do bigger volumes anyway-like 100 miles a week. The most I've ever hit was 60. They also do all the external stuff, weights and drills, work on their technique, get sports massages twice or three times a week, monitor their diet. The level of commitment was something I could never quite muster (I'd drop training for uni studies for example) and it allowed them to improve in nearly every area.
When you take it to extremes like farah's timetable:
http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/training/mo-pain-mo-...
I can easily see how those guys get so fast from those sessions and that regime from how I respond(ed) to mileage and good training-the ugly truth is that it's a lot of hard work, commitment and also control and knowing when not to train too hard and ensure you don't get injured/ill.
As for supplements-I'd been told beetroot juice is good-but it tastes like soil. On a more serious note most of the guys I've been around treated anything more than a lucozade or multi-vitamins with suspicion. I've never been offered anything-nada, zilch.
TL:DR-I'm not commited enough, never got offered anything.
I am also someone that I suppose people just feel easy talking to.
Being as vague as I can be, Fell running, archery and chess are all sports I know to be affected. Yes seriously. Chess!
Art0ir said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Art0ir said:
If the likelihood was that the silver medal winners weren't doping as well, I'd agree.
I don't.
Those that don't believe PEDs permeate every facet of sport, at every level, are either willfully ignorant or hopelessly naive.
And those that believe Russia are the only ones organising doping at a national team level... well. Joke's on you.
Kenya seem to have had some problems recently . Maybe singling out Russia wasnt the best way forward maybe a new license for Athletes to compete with them needing to adhere to new independant checks might have worked.Wada needs beefing up for sure and should have the final wordI don't.
Those that don't believe PEDs permeate every facet of sport, at every level, are either willfully ignorant or hopelessly naive.
And those that believe Russia are the only ones organising doping at a national team level... well. Joke's on you.
Everyone is at it. Everyone.
Efbe said:
Burwood said:
It's meant to be amateur sport for a start and half of the events are nonsense.
give it a rest, dressage is a very serious sportMonumental waste of money.
Wonder what will happen with China. Young Chinese female swimmer, coached by a guy known for feeding his athletes stuff, dropped dead one night unexpectedly and her body was cremated within 48 hours and no autopsy. Could be something else like sudden adult death, but questions are being asked of this guy now. Sine of his other swimmers have previously put in some quite jaw dropping performances.
WADA have deemed "non-compliant", Russia, Argentina, Ukraine, Bolivia, Andorra and Israel. They have been ruled to be in breach of the World Anti-Doping Agency's codes.
Brazil, Belgium, France, Greece, Mexico and Spain have been placed on a 'watch list' and must meet strict conditions by March 2016 or face similar action.
Kenya have been ordered to explain its doping controls.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34860136
Brazil, Belgium, France, Greece, Mexico and Spain have been placed on a 'watch list' and must meet strict conditions by March 2016 or face similar action.
Kenya have been ordered to explain its doping controls.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34860136
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