Homeopathy.... At last
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Seems legit.
And this guy is a member of the health select committee and the science and tech committee.
And this guy is a member of the health select committee and the science and tech committee.
Scotsman said:
Chinese herbal medicine can help treat cancers and HIV, a Conservative MP has said.
David Tredinnick said many of his constituents are only alive today because they have been treated with alternative medicine.
And the MP for Bosworth urged ministers to spend more NHS money on therapies such as homeopathy and acupuncture to treat patients.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/tory-mp-traditional-chinese-medicine-can-treat-cancer-and-hiv-1-4312683David Tredinnick said many of his constituents are only alive today because they have been treated with alternative medicine.
And the MP for Bosworth urged ministers to spend more NHS money on therapies such as homeopathy and acupuncture to treat patients.
BlackLabel said:
Seems legit.
And this guy is a member of the health select committee and the science and tech committee.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Tredinnick_(politician)And this guy is a member of the health select committee and the science and tech committee.
Scotsman said:
Chinese herbal medicine can help treat cancers and HIV, a Conservative MP has said.
David Tredinnick said many of his constituents are only alive today because they have been treated with alternative medicine.
And the MP for Bosworth urged ministers to spend more NHS money on therapies such as homeopathy and acupuncture to treat patients.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/tory-mp-traditional-chinese-medicine-can-treat-cancer-and-hiv-1-4312683David Tredinnick said many of his constituents are only alive today because they have been treated with alternative medicine.
And the MP for Bosworth urged ministers to spend more NHS money on therapies such as homeopathy and acupuncture to treat patients.
Yep he's the sort of guy everyone should listen to about medicine. Fully qualified in medicine with his business degree in capetown and his 'can do' opinions about the inability of blood to clot at the full moon
Art0ir said:
I'm no researcher, but 51 patients seems like a pretty small sample size.
Show me the science and I'll take it seriously.
Literally just glanced at the inclusion criteria and it would likely include 100's of thousands of the population...at least.Show me the science and I'll take it seriously.
You would need a sample size nearer 250-300 to get a significant result that you could apply to that population.....I think. I might read it all later.
Regression to the mean!!!!
Jasandjules said:
30c potency, eh?wiki said:
This would require giving two billion doses per second to six billion people for 4 billion years to deliver a single molecule of the original material to any patient.
And, as always;http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/
Art0ir said:
Show me the science and I'll take it seriously.
You can always trust science. Global Warming and http://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h231
jjlynn27 said:
julian64 said:
This whole thread is about anecdotal vs science.
Science is not a few people getting together and deciding what works anecdotally. That is the sort of science that takes place in mud huts in undeveloped countries where they don't have access to real science. Witchcraft and faith healing work anecdotally, just google them.
I'm not telling anyone they can't go to a faith healer, homoeopath, witchcraft, reflexologist, horologist, accupuncture. In fact I would encourage people to find their own way through life with whichever lifeboat gives them the most pleasure to cling to.
This thread isn't about telling people what to do. Its about telling people what the state shouldn't be funding. Up till now, way into the era of science we have had the scientific community guiding doctors in great detail through which drugs to use, and which to ignore in every situation. As a doctor I have to make a case for each drug I prescribe in terms of efficacy and cost. This all gets totted up and reviewed at the end of each year, and I am carefully managed with targets along these lines for payment. I accept this as I understand the taxpayers need for value for their tax money.
On the other hand homoeopaths just get given a bunch of taxpayers cash based on ..........what?
Only based on the fact that approximately half their patients will walk out of the clinic suggesting they are feeling better and anecdotally they think this is linked to their clinic visit?
Agree. But what about numerologist? Science is not a few people getting together and deciding what works anecdotally. That is the sort of science that takes place in mud huts in undeveloped countries where they don't have access to real science. Witchcraft and faith healing work anecdotally, just google them.
I'm not telling anyone they can't go to a faith healer, homoeopath, witchcraft, reflexologist, horologist, accupuncture. In fact I would encourage people to find their own way through life with whichever lifeboat gives them the most pleasure to cling to.
This thread isn't about telling people what to do. Its about telling people what the state shouldn't be funding. Up till now, way into the era of science we have had the scientific community guiding doctors in great detail through which drugs to use, and which to ignore in every situation. As a doctor I have to make a case for each drug I prescribe in terms of efficacy and cost. This all gets totted up and reviewed at the end of each year, and I am carefully managed with targets along these lines for payment. I accept this as I understand the taxpayers need for value for their tax money.
On the other hand homoeopaths just get given a bunch of taxpayers cash based on ..........what?
Only based on the fact that approximately half their patients will walk out of the clinic suggesting they are feeling better and anecdotally they think this is linked to their clinic visit?
Jasandjules said:
Art0ir said:
Show me the science and I'll take it seriously.
You can always trust science. Global Warming and http://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h231
"'A misuse of scarce funds': NHS to end prescription of homeopathic remedies"
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com...
BlackLabel said:
"'A misuse of scarce funds': NHS to end prescription of homeopathic remedies"
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com...
BlackLabel said:
"'A misuse of scarce funds': NHS to end prescription of homeopathic remedies"
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com...
About bloody time.https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com...
From Homeopathy to Jade Eggs to natural is best; pseudo-science and selling stuff on the premise of total b
ks seems to be getting out of hand.This sums up Homeopathy for me!
https://youtu.be/YMvMb90hem8?t=1m15s
The whole thing is funny but the line that sums it up for me is: Herbal medicine has been around for thousands of years....indeed it has....and then we tested it all and the stuff that worked became medicine!
https://youtu.be/YMvMb90hem8?t=1m15s
The whole thing is funny but the line that sums it up for me is: Herbal medicine has been around for thousands of years....indeed it has....and then we tested it all and the stuff that worked became medicine!
JontyR said:
This sums up Homeopathy for me!
https://youtu.be/YMvMb90hem8?t=1m15s
The whole thing is funny but the line that sums it up for me is: Herbal medicine has been around for thousands of years....indeed it has....and then we tested it all and the stuff that worked became medicine!
Yep, "alternative" medicine that works is called medicine. Everything else is snake oil.https://youtu.be/YMvMb90hem8?t=1m15s
The whole thing is funny but the line that sums it up for me is: Herbal medicine has been around for thousands of years....indeed it has....and then we tested it all and the stuff that worked became medicine!
98elise said:
JontyR said:
This sums up Homeopathy for me!
https://youtu.be/YMvMb90hem8?t=1m15s
The whole thing is funny but the line that sums it up for me is: Herbal medicine has been around for thousands of years....indeed it has....and then we tested it all and the stuff that worked became medicine!
Yep, "alternative" medicine that works is called medicine. Everything else is snake oil.https://youtu.be/YMvMb90hem8?t=1m15s
The whole thing is funny but the line that sums it up for me is: Herbal medicine has been around for thousands of years....indeed it has....and then we tested it all and the stuff that worked became medicine!
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