Top Gear producer to sue Clarkson
Discussion
ruggedscotty said:
Its topics like this that really grate....
I cant give any sympathy to Clarkson - dont get me wrong I enjoy his programs and I enjoy TG but what he did well it wasnt great - and then were telling the producer to man up ad all that - folks really ?
Its a work place its bound by the same rules and regulations that govern any work place - Its suddenly hit home that he won be earning anywhere the same money as before. so hes doing what he can to get some redress. Id be doing the same thing. Id not be turning the other cheek or letting it go.
I sort of agree with you but........I cant give any sympathy to Clarkson - dont get me wrong I enjoy his programs and I enjoy TG but what he did well it wasnt great - and then were telling the producer to man up ad all that - folks really ?
Its a work place its bound by the same rules and regulations that govern any work place - Its suddenly hit home that he won be earning anywhere the same money as before. so hes doing what he can to get some redress. Id be doing the same thing. Id not be turning the other cheek or letting it go.
Why has it taken him 8 months to decide this course of action as I believe he originally said he was not pursuing it with the Police, & what has he done for the BBC since the incident, can`t have been off sick can he?
I would think TG was a good meal ticket & he has now realised he`s a bit cattle trucked for work now as other presenters, for what ever reason, would rather not work with him.
Also thought TG was made by an outside contractor & didnt use BBC staff on production.
Breadvan72 said:
I think that your view on that may be a tad out of line with modern scientific thinking. How do you distinguish one "race" from another?
From Wiki:
Even though there is a broad scientific agreement that essentialist and typological conceptualizations of race are untenable, scientists around the world continue to conceptualize race in widely differing ways, some of which have essentialist implications.[17] While some researchers sometimes use the concept of race to make distinctions among fuzzy sets of traits, others in the scientific community suggest that the idea of race often is used in a naive[12] or simplistic way,[18][page needed] and argue that, among humans, race has no taxonomic significance by pointing out that all living humans belong to the same species, Homo sapiens, and subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.[19][20]
Yup. Take it from someone with a rather strong background in genomics: race is a purely social construct and doesn't have a biological definition. When people say 'race' what they really ought to say now is ethnicity. From Wiki:
Even though there is a broad scientific agreement that essentialist and typological conceptualizations of race are untenable, scientists around the world continue to conceptualize race in widely differing ways, some of which have essentialist implications.[17] While some researchers sometimes use the concept of race to make distinctions among fuzzy sets of traits, others in the scientific community suggest that the idea of race often is used in a naive[12] or simplistic way,[18][page needed] and argue that, among humans, race has no taxonomic significance by pointing out that all living humans belong to the same species, Homo sapiens, and subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.[19][20]
Challo said:
You sound like a great bloke to be around. Thank f**k I was born in the 80's so I don't need to put up with ignorant people like you who call people gay and n***e's because they don't knock people out in an argument.
As many have said its nothing to do with the punch.
If someone fell out with you and punched you, would you just let them hit you and do nothing ? I have never started a fight in my life, but in the past when someone had a go at me, I had a go back. Thank goodness we didn't have that attitude in 1914 and 1939. We should have let the Germans win, then sued them some time later.As many have said its nothing to do with the punch.
ruggedscotty said:
Its a work place its bound by the same rules and regulations that govern any work place - Its suddenly hit home that he won be earning anywhere the same money as before. so hes doing what he can to get some redress. Id be doing the same thing. Id not be turning the other cheek or letting it go.
He's realsed he won't be earning the same money as before, so he's now accusing Clarkson of racism to make up for it?Fact is he won't be earning as much because the high value show he was working on has bitten the dust.
sun.and.rain said:
I don't get this. So is it wrong to call someone from Ireland Irish? In the same way as you would call someone from Sweden Swedish?! Or a cat, a cat?
No, but it is racist to call then a "stupid Irish c***" which is what is being suggested. Just to clarify:"You are s stupid c***" - derogatory comment, based on someone's perceived or alleged benaviour.
"You are a stupid Irish (or Swedish) c***" - racist abuse.
Toaster said:
Whats being brought up in the 60's got to do with anything other than your age?
Attitudes and the way Clarkson and I were bought up. Many things have changed over the years some good some not so good. I'm glad I was taught to fight back rather than run off to a lawyer months later. Toaster said:
Rs2oo said:
If Clarkson punched me in the face I would knock him out not go crying to my mummy. Tymon should grow a pair and be a man unless of course he bats for the other side. Thank f
k I was born in the 60's and bought up by non-liberal straight forward people. Boo-hoo, the unfit 53 year old man punched me. Get a life you n***e.
k I was born in the 60's and bought up by non-liberal straight forward people. Boo-hoo, the unfit 53 year old man punched me. Get a life you n***e.He is being a Man, and sorting it appropriately if your a thug or just feel everything can be sorted with your fists go ahead and see where that gets you.....Dont mistake intelligence as weakness having worked with a couple of special forces guys I found them to be the most calming influences when things were getting heated. Whats being brought up in the 60's got to do with anything other than your age?
Rs2oo said:
Challo said:
You sound like a great bloke to be around. Thank f**k I was born in the 80's so I don't need to put up with ignorant people like you who call people gay and n***e's because they don't knock people out in an argument.
As many have said its nothing to do with the punch.
If someone fell out with you and punched you, would you just let them hit you and do nothing ? I have never started a fight in my life, but in the past when someone had a go at me, I had a go back. Thank goodness we didn't have that attitude in 1914 and 1939. We should have let the Germans win, then sued them some time later.As many have said its nothing to do with the punch.
If I got punched in the street maybe I would have thrown a punch back, but this is a working environment and you can't throw punches at people. Clarkson may have thrown a punch, and then everyone may have jumped in and spilt them, you just don't know.
We dont know what has happened in the back ground, the public abuse aimed at the producer, maybe he has suffered mental stress, not been able to work, feels that Clarksons abuse and punch is not just resolved by an apology. Maybe he feels upset that people are calling him a n***e on a public forum.
If he feels he has a case then so be it.
If he feels he has a case then so be it.
Denaris said:
The only thing I watched on TV is now gone because that pathetic little man couldn't get Jezza his dinner.
Nope your getting this wrong TopGear has gone because on of its presenters thought it was okay to commit assault on a fellow employee because he didnt get what he wanted - he threw his dummy out the pram and hit someone. Not the behavior one expects in the work place. So in the same line of thinking
Your wife comes in and tells you that there is no tea and you grab her and slip her face ?
??????
You think that it is okay to smack someone because they didnt perform to your expectations.
The person in the car showroom tells you that the car you had your eye on has been sold, you punch him in the face before leaving ?
Its violence and its not to be tolerated.....
Rs2oo said:
Attitudes and the way Clarkson and I were bought up. Many things have changed over the years some good some not so good. I'm glad I was taught to fight back rather than run off to a lawyer months later.
I'm simply going to be patronising because it's the most direct way.You don't understand the question at hand.
Either that or you're being deliberately obtuse.
Jimmy Recard said:
You don't understand the question at hand.
Either that or you're being deliberately obtuse.
Same thing is it not ? Are you telling me I don't understand the question at hand even though there wasn't a question at hand or are you telling me I'm being obtuse which is slow to understand the question at hand ? or as is the case a lot on here, are you just insulting me because you believe I may not understand the question at hand by saying I'm obtuse ? Either that or you're being deliberately obtuse.
ruggedscotty said:
Denaris said:
The only thing I watched on TV is now gone because that pathetic little man couldn't get Jezza his dinner.
Nope your getting this wrong TopGear has gone because on of its presenters thought it was okay to commit assault on a fellow employee because he didnt get what he wanted - he threw his dummy out the pram and hit someone. Not the behavior one expects in the work place. So in the same line of thinking
Your wife comes in and tells you that there is no tea and you grab her and slip her face ?
??????
You think that it is okay to smack someone because they didnt perform to your expectations.
The person in the car showroom tells you that the car you had your eye on has been sold, you punch him in the face before leaving ?
Its violence and its not to be tolerated.....
Racial verbal assault: criminal prosecution
You're getting it wrong. I don't think the majority here are saying violence is acceptable. I think most people object to what it a money grabbing exercise some months after the event.
Overall I think this producer fella is being given a tough deal. He didn't ask to be punched not should he have been steak or no steak. There is obviously more to this than meets the eye - in a normal world you'd just stick the guy on antiques roadshow or whatever he fancies for a bit.
In summary: no one should be punched at work. But this could have been handled better by all.
Jimmy Recard said:
I don't believe that you're obtuse.
But you seem to believe that the issue here is that he's upset about being punched and childish. That has just about nothing to do with his grievances.
Well that's part of it, I believe he's suing for racial discrimination AND personal injury. But you seem to believe that the issue here is that he's upset about being punched and childish. That has just about nothing to do with his grievances.
If someone called me an English C___ I would treat it with contempt and either ignore it or have a go back depending on the circumstances, I certainly wouldn't even think about suing for racism. Suing Clarkson for throwing a few insults and alleging racism is pathetic. In a heated argument, insults are often reactional or impulsive. Someone wearing glasses is called a four-eyed ******, an old person a old **** etc, and a black person called a black ***** This does not necessarily mean that person is ageist or racist, it's just what the aggressor says in the heat of an argument. Don't think we will ever know if it was a "racist" comment or not. Personally, I don't think it was, it should just be forgotten, move on.
I would be amazed if this doesn't turn out actually to be a result of the unwanted attention he has received since this happened. I don't know any details but I have read somewhere that he has received threats and abuse online as a result of it.
I would bet a lot of money that it comes down to this but race and violence constitute the initial case.
I would bet a lot of money that it comes down to this but race and violence constitute the initial case.
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