Paris shooting and casualties ?

[rovermorris999]

Abbott said:

Interesting point in France today.
A French priest has been dismissed from his role after comparing those killed in the shootings at the Bataclan concert hall with the Isis extremists who shot them, saying they were "Siamese twins".

“Look at the photos of the audience moments before the drama," the article read. "These poor children of the lefty generation, in an ecstatic trance … they are the living dead.

"Their killers, these zombies, are their Siamese twins.

"It’s so obvious!... Same childishness, same lack of culture…Violence, sex, drugs, making a racket … you invoke the devil for a laugh? He will take you seriously."

http://www.thelocal.fr/20151127/priest-sacked-for-...

Which proves to my mind that the devoutly religious of whatever flavour have at least one screw loose.

[bitchstewie]

Abbott said:

Interesting point in France today.
A French priest has been dismissed from his role after comparing those killed in the shootings at the Bataclan concert hall with the Isis extremists who shot them, saying they were "Siamese twins".

“Look at the photos of the audience moments before the drama," the article read. "These poor children of the lefty generation, in an ecstatic trance … they are the living dead.

"Their killers, these zombies, are their Siamese twins.

"It’s so obvious!... Same childishness, same lack of culture…Violence, sex, drugs, making a racket … you invoke the devil for a laugh? He will take you seriously."

http://www.thelocal.fr/20151127/priest-sacked-for-...

It's not interesting it's horsest.

I wonder if I should apologise on his behalf though?

[rscott]

bhstewie said:

Abbott said:

Interesting point in France today.
A French priest has been dismissed from his role after comparing those killed in the shootings at the Bataclan concert hall with the Isis extremists who shot them, saying they were "Siamese twins".

“Look at the photos of the audience moments before the drama," the article read. "These poor children of the lefty generation, in an ecstatic trance … they are the living dead.

"Their killers, these zombies, are their Siamese twins.

"It’s so obvious!... Same childishness, same lack of culture…Violence, sex, drugs, making a racket … you invoke the devil for a laugh? He will take you seriously."

http://www.thelocal.fr/20151127/priest-sacked-for-...

It's not interesting it's horsest.

I wonder if I should apologise on his behalf though?

Yep - according to some who post on this (and similar threads hear) the Pope should begin his next address by apologising for this.

[Digga]

rovermorris999 said:

Which proves to my mind that the devoutly religious of whatever flavour have at least one screw loose.

Quite. Deluded, isolated and backward.

[Troubleatmill]

bhstewie said:

Abbott said:

Interesting point in France today.
A French priest has been dismissed from his role after comparing those killed in the shootings at the Bataclan concert hall with the Isis extremists who shot them, saying they were "Siamese twins".

“Look at the photos of the audience moments before the drama," the article read. "These poor children of the lefty generation, in an ecstatic trance … they are the living dead.

"Their killers, these zombies, are their Siamese twins.

"It’s so obvious!... Same childishness, same lack of culture…Violence, sex, drugs, making a racket … you invoke the devil for a laugh? He will take you seriously."

http://www.thelocal.fr/20151127/priest-sacked-for-...

It's not interesting it's horsest.

I wonder if I should apologise on his behalf though?

Apologies are totally pointless.....
Training and spot checks - are needed to make sure extremist views are not taught by those in positions of trust and authority. ( regardless of sky fairy )

[superkartracer]

http://news.sky.com/story/1595689/protests-as-saud...

Backwards..

[AJS-]

bhstewie said:

It's not interesting it's horsest.

I wonder if I should apologise on his behalf though?

But the church sacked him and distanced themselves from his views instantly. Spot the difference?


Or...

It's only a tiny minority. Most Christians are ordinary people just getting on with their lives.

Maybe we should make a greater effort to integrate Catholics? Understand them better.

Look at our foreign policy. See if they're discriminated against by the police, underperforming in education and work because of anti-Christian racism.

Let's hope there's no anti Christian backlash. It's a religion of peace and tolerance after all.

Edited by AJS- on Saturday 28th November 03:24

[Troubleatmill]

This is exactly what action needs to take place.

http://www.ibtimes.com/french-muslim-leaders-want-...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/25/leadi...

But - it should go further and there should be a legal responsibility on the mosques to ensure that any imam engaged to teach, is licenced. ( and the same rules should apply to all religions )

This, combined with spot checks, re-certification.

It will take a while, and it is not the complete solution to the problem
But is a very good step in the right direction to eradicate extremist teachings
And it is also being seen by non Muslims as a constructive step in weeding out Islamists

[anonymous-user]

[jmorgan]

Troubleatmill said:

This is exactly what action needs to take place.

http://www.ibtimes.com/french-muslim-leaders-want-...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/25/leadi...

But - it should go further and there should be a legal responsibility on the mosques to ensure that any imam engaged to teach, is licenced. ( and the same rules should apply to all religions )

This, combined with spot checks, re-certification.

It will take a while, and it is not the complete solution to the problem
But is a very good step in the right direction to eradicate extremist teachings
And it is also being seen by non Muslims as a constructive step in weeding out Islamists

All they will do is ignore it unless it is a legal requirement and making it a legal requirement sounds a bit too far state controlled.

Edit. Actually, I am at odds with myself on that last bit on state controlled seeing as I want schools with no religious involvement. Ah, hoisted by my own petard.

Edit 2. Ah, I have it. Back to square one.

Edited by jmorgan on Sunday 29th November 08:40

Edited by jmorgan on Sunday 29th November 08:43

[Troubleatmill]

jmorgan said:

All they will do is ignore it unless it is a legal requirement and making it a legal requirement sounds a bit too far state controlled.

The licence can be issued by a body representing British Muslims.
You can't practice as a GP without a licence from the GMC. ( which is not a Government body )

But it would be quite refreshing to see this being actively taken up.
And it is also seen to be tackling the problem.

[anonymous-user]

People! Get a grip on the important stuff, will yers? PractiSe: verb. PractiCe: noun. Similarly - licenSe and licenCe. If preachers had licenCes then they would would be licenSed. Doctors practiSe medicine in medical practiCes. As to whether a regulator is part of Government, that's a another argument (FWIW, wearing a public lawyer hat, I see regulators as being effectively branches of the State. Others disagree).

At present, anyone can set him or herself up as a leader of any religion, including a religion invented yesterday. There are lots of very dodgy evangelical Christian preachers who are teaching all sorts of bizarre stuff including demonic possession and so on. If you regulate preachers, you should regulate every one of them, but that would involve creating a large regulatory apparatus.

[jmorgan]

Troubleatmill said:

jmorgan said:

All they will do is ignore it unless it is a legal requirement and making it a legal requirement sounds a bit too far state controlled.

The licence can be issued by a body representing British Muslims.
You can't practice as a GP without a licence from the GMC. ( which is not a Government body )

But it would be quite refreshing to see this being actively taken up.
And it is also seen to be tackling the problem.

I think a GP is a bit different to a religious belief. Giving them a bit of paper just emboldens the belief they are a relevance in todays world (whatever the religion), and as pointed out, to make it legal, you have the red tape fanciers club wetting themselves in anticipation.

Tackling the problem requires a re write or pushing other idea's, such as you can leave without a death warrant or we ain't that serious about it.

Are the MCB fairly elected?

[dudleybloke]

Or how about if God wants to speak to people he gets off his cloud and does it himself.

[HerrSchnell]

jmorgan said:

Are the MCB fairly elected?

If the Electoral Commission's report into vote rigging in Bangladeshi and Pakistani communities is anything to go by I'd say no:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2...

Electoral Commission said:

''These networks tend to be reciprocal, and are hierarchical and patriarchal, which may undermine the principle of voters' individual and free choice through a range of social pressures such as respect for the decision of the elders at its mildest extreme, through to undue influence where in some instances access to individual ballots of women and adult children can be refused by the elders,'' it reported.

As for the idea of licensed Imams, that's only going to lead to further division and sense of victimization. If there's going to be a reformation to an "Islam lite" which is compatible with modern secular democracy then it needs to come from within. However seeing as that would require large chunks of the final testament as dictated directly by god to be discarded I don't see it happening anytime soon and in the meantime we're stuck with gems such as this:

Quran 3.56 said:

As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help

Quran 4.54 said:

Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

Quran 8.12 said:

I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

Quran 8.57 said:

If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.

Quran 25.52 said:

Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness

Quran 47.3 said:

Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (take hostages)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them. But, in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.

[Cobnapint]

Unfortunately for the 'world', this is the software that's being programmed into every single Muslim on a daily basis.

We are wholly reliant on the probably vain hope that the vast majority don't take it too seriously.

What an ever growing and wholly unjust worry that is, to be carrying forward in our modern world.

[AreOut]

If someone wrote such book today gov't would take him to a mental hospital but since these nutters are very numerous it could be called religion.

[StangGT]

dudleybloke said:

Coincidence, or something to be suspicious about?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/622438/Europe-...

800 shotguns found en-route from Turkey to Belgium.

Edited by dudleybloke on Friday 27th November 15:58

Nothing to see here to be honest. Dim journalist puts 2 and 2 together and comes up with 85.

These shotguns (he laughably refers to them as rifles in the article) are for sporting purposes and are used all over europe. He then added a picture of a military style shotgun just for giggles.

They were legitimately being exported by the manufacturer (Turkey is one of the biggest shotgun manufacturing countries in the world) but some dumbass screwed up the paperwork.

Nothing like sensationalising a non story for column inches though, right?

Edited by StangGT on Sunday 29th November 21:54

[Cobnapint]

AreOut said:

If someone wrote such book today gov't would take him to a mental hospital but since these nutters are very numerous it could be called religion.

The great irony is - you'd be arrested and charged with inciting religious hatred.

[NDA]

Cobnapint said:

Unfortunately for the 'world', this is the software that's being programmed into every single Muslim on a daily basis.

We are wholly reliant on the probably vain hope that the vast majority don't take it too seriously.

Rather hits home when put that way.